Did Powell damage his reputation for presenting crap in front of the UN?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Ted is spot on. He is very into how he feels about someone personally. He's very unpolitical about things in that way.

That's worse - that means you have a kid with a very large bat in power. If he is willing to get lots and lots people killed, to flush billions of dollars down the drain, and to impoverish the Iraqi people as a whole, just to get at this one person, this is Very Bad. That means he doesn't think with his head. You don't want somebody like him in power.

[Bereta_Eder]

why do you associate feelings of serenity with drugs?

that's what destroyed the hippie movement in the US.

That's also why the Communist party of Greece said no to drugs. One of its moments of rare sobriety


edit: threadjacking sorry

[Imran Siddiqui]

That's worse - that means you have a kid with a very large bat in power. If he is willing to get lots and lots people killed, to flush billions of dollars down the drain, and to impoverish the Iraqi people as a whole, just to get at this one person, this is Very Bad. That means he doesn't think with his head. You don't want somebody like him in power.

That does depend. Some people like those that think with their hearts first. It's a matter of preference.

[Shi Huangdi]

A war on Iraq would damage the world oil supply, not help it. That could do severe damage to our economy. Anyone who thinks this war is economically related is dead wrong...

[Ted Striker]

Hey paiktis you bring up a good point, I learned something new today.

Unfortunatley as a side effect of American consumer driven society, we are taught that the way to deal with problems is to consume.

We don't have that 2000+ year old Greek culture of spirituality to guide us. I'd say that's the #1 failing of the USA, is that many of us have become spiritually bankrupt. No amount of consumption can fill that void.

So the problem becomes when people don't know know how to look inward for stength, instead they look outward for some product or stimulation to fix them.

[Berzerker]

Oil better be part of the picture, if we don't grab that oil to help pay for the war I'll be even more pissed. I want that oil! Damn right! And the oil should be used to pay off US manufacturers to help rebuild Iraq...

[Ted Striker]

Urban,

That can indeed be a problem. Especially with hotheads like Rice and Rumsfeld in the picture. Luckily Powell is there to temper Bush's gut directions and Rice is there to give clarity and Chaney is the one who actually formulates a plan out of it all behind the scenes.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And then Bush either vetos and approves Cheney's plan. If you've ever see them together, you know which one is boss... and it ain't Cheney .

[Ted Striker]

My favorite line from Bush is still, "we're going to find out who did this, and we're going to kick their asses!"

USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nevs23]

Originally posted by Berzerker
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And the oil should be used to pay off US manufacturers to help rebuild Iraq...

Yes, it should, but this will never happen.

Unfortunately, no altruistic ideology stands behind this war, only the desire for money and power (IMHO).

[Gatekeeper]

UR:

I can take Iraq more seriously in its denials the moment it can come up with counterpoints that rely less on shrillness and more on substance. About the only part of Powell's presentation that still has me less than convinced is the part where he presented alleged evidence of al-Qaida links to Saddam Hussein.

As for sharing all the evidence U.S. intelligence (and other foreign agencies) has gathered, I'm split on it. On one hand, you have to consider that if you give it freely and it leaks, you can say goodbye to your sources — they'll either clam up or, um, "disappear." Yet if you don't share it, then others question you constantly. Personally, I think all the evidence could be shown to Hans Blix and ElBaradei (sp) w/o any risk of them leaking it. But I wouldn't share it with the rest of the inspectors. Those two would be enough.

On an unrelated note, has 'Poly been slower than molasses for anyone else? This page alone took 99 seconds to load and display, and I have a cable connection to the Internet.

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[Willem]

Originally posted by Pekka


Actually, I would love to see mr Powell running for presidency.. he has the worlds respect by his character alone, not just power and all that.

He had the option once but he declined. Maybe he'll think about it again after Dubya loses the next election.

[Gatekeeper]

Powell, unfortunately, will *not* run for the presidency. He values his privacy and family life. Can't say I blame him ... heh, kind of reminds me of Cincinnatius (sp).

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[Pekka]

That's too bad. I think he would make one hell of a president. Powell...

[DuncanK]

No, Powell did not ruin his reputation. He did what he was expected to do. He was suppose to show why the Bush administration believes that Saddam has WoMD, and why they think he's hiding evidence from the inspectors among other things. He did that brilliantly. I admit that it's not enough to satisfy some of you. I really believe that some of you have smoked too much pot if you think that what Powell said was less than truthfull, or that he acted dishonestly.