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  • #61
    Originally posted by Urban Ranger
    Gatekeeper,

    I They want this info to be passed to the weapons inspectors so they can verify it. This is what the US should be doing all along IMO.


    .
    The inspectors are supposed to verify that the Iraqis have established a death sentence for any scientist who cooperates with the inspectors?? How are they supposed to do that????
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    • #62
      Re: Did Powell damage his reputation for presenting crap in front of the UN?

      Originally posted by Urban Ranger
      Ahem.

      You call that evidence, eh? Kinda thin don't you think? A bunch of fuzzy photos with a piece of alleged recording between Iraqi military personnel.

      Looks bad. Powell put his own reputation behind this, and that did him no good.

      What do you think?
      Start a new poll.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
        I saw tonight on TV that Powell used a Taliban terrorist group in North Eastern Iraq which I have mentioned on this forum as evidence of Saddam's links with terrorism.

        First off, this group is operating in an area Saddam does not control (against the Kurds). Second, its supported by Iran. Third, its leader hates Saddam Hussein, is in exile in Holland and trying to overthrow him.

        *shakes head* This information is in the public domain.
        The group is al ansar.

        AL ansar controls al ansar territory - The pro-US kurds do not.

        Iran has supported them in the past - so? both iraq and Iran have supported Hamas as well.

        Al ansar has not any time lately attempted to overthrow Saddam. They mainly fight against the secular, pro-US kurds, who are Saddams enemies. There is evidence that Al ansar has close links to Iraqi intelligence.

        Krekar, who has been bouncing back and forth between holland and Norway, does deny links to Iraq. But then he also denies links to Al qaeeda, so hes not particularkly credible.

        Hope this helps
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        • #64
          Either Saddam is in material breech of UNSC 1441, or Colin Powell is a flat out total lier, a bigger lier by far than Bill Clinton, the biggest lier since Richard Nixon, at least. There aint no middle ground.

          Iraq says he did lie outright.

          The French, Russians, etc have not. Instead they simply state that inspections should go, tripled in number. IF what Powell said was true (and again this is not denied by France, Germany, or Russia) a tripled inspection force will be no more effective than the current one.
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          • #65
            Mary McGrory, liberal colomnist in the Washington Post, who was opposed to admin policy on Iraq up till now, states in the AM's column that Powell persuaded her.
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            • #66
              So, as I said...
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              • #67
                "You are in the courtroom of world opinion.... You have denied they exist, and I want to know if I understood you correctly.... I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over. And I am also prepared to present the evidence in this room!" - Adlai E Stevenson


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                • #68
                  Originally posted by paiktis22
                  and Oil is the main issue here of course.
                  Only to the Euroweenies, who, unlike the USA, get their oil from Iraq. Oil is not the reason for USA belligerence on Iraq, it is the reason for Euro appeasment.
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                  • #69
                    I said elsewhere that the last report I read (yes, I read. ) that the USA gets a whopping 9% of our oil from Iraq.

                    I also said that piddling amount could be pumped in Texas alone.
                    A true statement, yet again.
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                    • #70
                      Last figure I saw in print for it was 2%
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                      • #71
                        Maybe he'll think about it again after Dubya loses the next election.


                        IF. The way it looks now, Kerry (who is the front runner) would probably get trounced.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
                          Last figure I saw in print for it was 2%
                          I would expect you to be more informed than me.

                          Well, hell. We can get that from Abilene.
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                          • #73
                            And Imran, Kerry ain't bad. Just a little FYI.
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                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #74
                              Last figure I saw in print for it was 2%

                              The 9% figure is more correct. It was at that level until about August 2002 and will likely revert to that figure after a war.
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                              • #75
                                Woo-hoo! I was more righter than Lefty!
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