Did Powell damage his reputation for presenting crap in front of the UN?

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's typical that a Eurocom would try to throw such a simplistic response to this affair.

ANYONE that says the main point of this 'war' is oil just doesn't understand Bush at all. That's not suprising, seeing as Europeans haven't a clue what goes on across the pond.

[Bereta_Eder]

and Oil is the main issue here of course.

only a moron and an *resist paiktis RESIST* and errr a moron would deny that

[Ted Striker]

It's not about oil.

[Bereta_Eder]

Case Closed

[Berzerker]

IMO, Powell is playing the good cop to Bush's bad cop. He was instructed to play the skeptic/dove so he could make this "amazing" transformation and the presentation to the UN. That way people would say if Powell would change his mind, there must be validity to the administration's claims.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Case is closed, paiktis. Only a fool would say this is about oil. Oil matters little here except in history (ie, why Saddam was backed by the US in the first place). This entire showdown is because Bush thinks Saddam is an evil, evil man. Bush, unfortunetly, is a moral absolutist. He does most things because he things there is a moral purpose to it.

[Urban Ranger]

Imran,

Sure about that? Unless you are Shrub, it's pretty hard to tell.


ted,

If oil is not all of it, it has to be part of it. We all know for sure that Saddam being a nasty evil killer bastard meglomaniac doesn't factor into the equation.

[Pekka]

Berzerker, that would be good strategy yes. But people liked him more even in the case of Afghanistan.

[Ted Striker]

Actually I'd take oil completely out of it.

We discussed the route the US is taking to completely bypass the middle east and oil altogether in the past so I won't rehash it here.

I would actually say that Saddam being a nasty bastard DOES play a HUGE part in this, as Imran pointed out, Bush has a very unique style of personal politics, and how he feels about someone personally literally has global repurcussions.

[Imran Siddiqui]

UR, we USAians sometimes know what our leaders think. Maybe not most of time, but some of the time .

Ted is spot on. He is very into how he feels about someone personally. He's very unpolitical about things in that way.

[Bereta_Eder]

while i totally accept the moronity of Bush (and other leaders) I cant accept that he is THAT a moron that he would lead a country as infuencial as the US based on PErsonal feelings and moral absolutisms.

if that is the case you're screwed sooner or later.


but rejoice my friends, its about oil

but here I am with my french coffee and greek cigarets enjoying a beautiful morning and getting a bit updated on the news having spent some quality time late last night and believe me i am in no mood to have an argument

we disagree my lovely fuzzy pikatsu american friends of mine ok

peace and love to the world

[Ted Striker]

Don't smoke too much of that stuff paiktis it will make you stooopid.

[Bereta_Eder]

it's not THAt kind of fags

[Imran Siddiqui]

Too late .

[Ted Striker]

Right on.