Did Powell damage his reputation for presenting crap in front of the UN?

[Urban Ranger]

Ahem.

You call that evidence, eh? Kinda thin don't you think? A bunch of fuzzy photos with a piece of alleged recording between Iraqi military personnel.

Looks bad. Powell put his own reputation behind this, and that did him no good.

What do you think?

[Nubclear]

Re: Did Powell damage his reputation for presenting crap in front of the UN?

Pretty bad....

[Bereta_Eder]

It's not what we think, it's what happens next and what UN members think

BTW Colin Powel and behind him two Greek Americans.

CIA chief Tenet and US ambassador to the UN Negreponte.
kind of funny to see those two together like that

[Gatekeeper]

I think Colin Powell is a fine man and, no, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a good deal of the rest of the planet decides the material he presented in regards to Iraq is moot. After all, the Iraqi response was so much more believable!

Gatekeeper

[Bereta_Eder]

anybody heard on the initial reactions?
I was in another planet yesterday

[Ted Striker]

Powell is indeed the trump card and I hope they never ask him to do something like this again.

Did his reputation take a hit? Yes, but it's still lofty.

Powell is still the most respected diplomat in the modern world. Even the Yankee Haters respect him. He's a good solider.

[Pekka]

I don't think so.. he had a tough task to do, and he did good.
And I agree 100% with Ted Striker, Powell is respected even amongst people who are anti-US, or otherwise against it's foreign policy. Everyone takes him seriously, and he doesn't have anything that people think is bad like Dubya is sometimes seen as dumb, Rumsfeld maybe too fundamentalist Christian etc etc.. by anti-US people of course. But Powell is just seen as man who is to be taken seriously. You don't see many Powell jokes, or his name in protest signs, because it's hard to think about him and make them.

Actually, I would love to see mr Powell running for presidency.. he has the worlds respect by his character alone, not just power and all that.

[Urban Ranger]

Gatekeeper,

I am not saying the Iraqi response is more credible. It is just that if they can throw enough doubt on it, the whole presentation becomes a wash. Apparently, Russia, France, and the PRC remain unconvinced. They want this info to be passed to the weapons inspectors so they can verify it. This is what the US should be doing all along IMO.


ted,

Indeed Colin Powell is the most trusted member of Bush's cabinet.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And I agree 100% with Ted Striker, Powell is respected even amongst people who are anti-US, or otherwise against it's foreign policy.

I always thought that was funny. I mean, WHY? He was a pretty decent general, who did a good job as JCS chairman in Desert Storm, but other than that?

And I love when Eurocoms say he should join the Dems . Powell's a lifelong Republican, but because he's black and moderate he 'should' be a Dem... funny.

[Nevs23]

I don't think that this has harmed his reputation.
Nobody has really expected sturdy proofs.

[Bereta_Eder]

Look, it's about oil and about imposing US dominance in the richest oil region in the world.
that much is sure.


now is Sadam a good man?

no, d'uh.


could he be possibly dangerous for the world?
i cant asnwer that. he IS a megalomaniac that wants control over that region.

is he more dangerous than NK?
no. but NK doesn sit on the worlds 2nd largest reserves
that makes Iraq more probable target and also more powerful its dominion in the region.

what about terrorism and iraq?
maybe maybe not

[Imran Siddiqui]

Look, it's about oil and about imposing US dominance in the richest oil region in the world.
that much is sure.

You know nothing about what is 'sure'.

What is 'sure' is that Bush thinks Saddam is an evil man.

Oil has little, if anything, to with it.

[Bereta_Eder]

no my little republican thats you
it is hilarious that you would deny that basic fact.
also typical and expected

[Pekka]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I always thought that was funny. I mean, WHY? He was a pretty decent general, who did a good job as JCS chairman in Desert Storm, but other than that?

And I love when Eurocoms say he should join the Dems . Powell's a lifelong Republican, but because he's black and moderate he 'should' be a Dem... funny.

I know, weird isn't it?
I don't know.. Maybe it's the whole image of Bush dynasty and some members of the cabinet.. you know.. oil. Many anti-US people (mostly left) are against that oil policy and the power of it and big consumption, pollution etc etc.. you know how it goes. Anyway.. Bush has his hands on oil, and some other people too in his cabinet. Powell however is not seen as one of these people.. Maybe it's some subconscious thinking from the lefties, I don't know.

Also he has different kind of charater.. dignity, authority, great wisdom, experience, humbleness.. they just jump to you when you see him speaking and listen what he says. More than that.. even if Bush speaks wise words and wouldn't be characterized as dumb, Powell would still have advantage to him. I don't know.. maybe he sends subliminal messages by morse coding with his eyes, getting everyone into mass hypnosis, I don't know.. but he's got that something you can't teach or learn and very few have it.

[Bereta_Eder]

oh you edited your post imran


well i was responding to your initial post which was : You know nothing about what is 'sure'.