Nasa is a waste of funds!

[Velociryx]

::shrug:: depends on how you look at it, I guess. I think the latest data from Mars was filled up with all sorts of good stuff (don't have it bookmarked anymore, but it kept me glued to the monitor for hours readin' about the surface exploration).

Granted, that's not as groovy as finding little green space friends, but hey...it's a start...it's stuff we didn't know before. Exciting in its way, and valuable if/when we put people on the ground there.

-=Vel=-

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba
I agree that NASA needs more specific goals.

They're helping build an international space station that will prove the feasibility of a lunar or Martian colony. it will also be the launching point for future lunar or Mars trips. Just because it isn't dramatic doesn't mean they don't have a mission.

[Velociryx]

::nodding:: That's a more eloquent way of putting it...yep!

The groovy stuff they're discovering might not be headline grabbing, war-of-the-worlds kinda stuff, but it doesn't have to be. It's nuts and bolts, practical, hey-we-can-live here kinds of stuff, and that's even better (tho admittedly not as exciting to read about as space friends).

We keep chugging along, and we WILL have people living "up there" Experimenting in ways that we just can't do here (the whole gravity thing, and others).

What will it lead to? Who knows!

But if we put too many constraints on them, we limit the possibilities.

An organized mission? Absolutely essential.

A straight-jacket?

Nahhh....no point in exploring the unknown if you gotta wear one.

-=Vel=-

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood
Why is everyone so hostile to me because I place mankind over needless wasting of resources that could be better utalized?

Because that's not what you're doing. If that's what you were doing, you'd ignore small stuff and go after the big stuff, like the Defense Budget, which is more than twenty times bigger. But you haven't even acknowledged this.

[Asher]

I hope to God Docfeelgood is joking because he's being ridiculous...

Reminds me of a Wiggy troll actually.

Edit: Just checked his bio:

I enjoy bull****ing people.

No kidding

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood
I am a nurse, can you tell me a few of these miracle devices that have saved lives courtacy of NASA?

You really do seem to be incapable of reading. Most of the monitoring equipment that you very likely use today was invented to monitor astronauts. Do you use computers? They were largely developed because o man space flight.

Of course, we've written this twenty or more times, and you haven't acknowledged it once. I see no reason to believe it will dent your brain this time.

It really scares me that you're a nurse.

[Demerzel]

the astronauts knew the risks and still chose to do it - don't disrepect their memories by calling their choice in life a waste.

Doc, you seem unprepared to accept any points being put to you - what's the point in creating a discussion thread if you spend 8 pages just ignoring any alternative views as irrelevent and not valid?

NASA has improved our way of life in many ways - just like with the military new technology filters down to us. The ISS & space exploration is something that should be funded more not less, exploring has benefitted mankind - sticking our head in the sand will not.

[Ming]

HEY... STOP WITH THE PERSONAL CRAP.
WHAT PART OF MY WARNING DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood



Can these so called experiments justify there cost?
IF....IF... they are of upmost important to understand why spiders make funny webs in zero gravity so important, then could not robots have done the same thing at a cheaper cost?


think!

I already think.

I think we need to get off this rock before another rock comes along and removes us.

We're overdue, you know.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood



Try explaining this to a hungery kid in a third world country.

Well maybe the US government shouldn't be spending half of it's budget on defense spending! $379 billion dollars can buy a lot of food for hungry children, a hell of a lot more than the $15 billion it now spends towards NASA. Like I said, that's an awful lot of money to spend on things that just blow up, and kill people in the process!

[Arrian]

Take the world's collective military budget, and imagine what could be done with that money/time/effort if it was invested in other things (education, health care, or even... space exploration). We might even manage to get off this rock before, as TMM puts it, a rock removes us.

-Arrian

[Docfeelgood]

You really do seem to be incapable of reading. Most of the monitoring equipment that you very likely use today was invented to monitor astronauts. Do you use computers? They were largely developed because o man space flight.

Speculation or fact?



Hey guys I am sorry to be the one to throw a wrench into what you fantasize NASA should or should not be but your going to have to except the fact that they waste a lota money!


No person all mornin long has given me one good reason as to why NASA should exist!

Doc, you seem unprepared to accept any points being put to you - what's the point in creating a discussion thread if you spend 8 pages just ignoring any alternative views as irrelevent and not valid?

What points?
that speculation or that BS NASA gave us ----------.
(fill in the blank)
why don't some of you answer some of MY QUESTIONS?
Because you can't.

NASA has improved our way of life in many ways

Ya know,I keep hearing this but I am not shown any proof

I think we need to get off this rock before another rock comes along and removes us.

OMG! this is the one thing that I think NASA is good for and
not one penny is being spent to prevent a astroid collison.


This is not Star trek or Star wars!
Hey I would like to beam down to another planet just as well as the other guy but I can seperate fantacy from fact.

Sorry to burst your bubble guys

[Velociryx]

Doc...what can I say but I surrender.

I grow weary of pointing out facts....specific things that NASA has had a hand in directly or indirectly, that have improved all our lives.

You choose to ignore these, and go on spouting nonsense.

That is your choice, of course.

And I chose not to participate further.

Reason and fact will not convince you, so why bother?

Your criticisms of NASA's "waste" are rather akin to scolding a guy with a thousand dollar a day coke habit (read: military) for buying a pack of chewing gum (read: NASA's budget).

But you already have all the answers, so I'll not try and convince you....

-=Vel=-

[Arrian]

Doc,

Maybe NASA wastes some money (it is, after all, run by the government). But what they waste pales in comparison to what the military wastes, and at least NASA is out there, trying to learn things about the universe. That's a lot nobler than blowing things up, in my mind. Plus, as has been pointed out (and ignored by you, or called BS), the space program has resulted in a lot of R&D work that may not have otherwise happened.

I, for one, consider my life enriched by the info brought back by the Gallileo mission and the Hubble Space Telescope. I consider things like that worth my tax dollars. That's counting the screwup with Hubble's mirror.

The fact is that NASA is doing its best to lay the groundwork for much bigger goals. There are a awful lot of technical problems that have to be overcome before we can even send a manned mission to Mars. The manned space program, which includes our part of the ISS, is helping us figure that stuff out.

I don't understand why people assume that NASA isn't doing anything just because we aren't charging pell-mell for Mars. Every mission is packed with experiments and/or work on the ISS. We have soooo much to learn.

I do agree on the asteroid-avoidance issue. That is something which is critically underfunded.

-Arrian

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood

Speculation or fact?

Absolute fact.

http://www.spacelabs.com/company/about.html

In the mid-1960s Spacelabs began making the transition from monitoring in space to monitoring in hospitals. In 1968 Spacelabs introduced its first systems for ICU and CCU monitoring. During the late 1960s and early 1970s significant technological advances were made in monitoring systems, culminating in 1974 with Alpha -- the first monitoring system to incorporate microprocessor technology. Alpha was revolutionary in several ways -- it was the first monitor to incorporate digital technology, it was the first to communicate on a data bus (to allow systems communications) and it was the first modular monitor. Following its introduction, Spacelabs added the first annotating recorder, trend data, autozero pressures and an exclusive pacer recognition program to Alpha.