I have a question about marriage.

[Flubber]

Speaking as someone that has been divoced, I can agree with most of the factors cited. My marriage ended because my wife " didn't feel about me the way she thought she should feel " after a few years ( likely because she was attracted to this bodybuilder guy that she started seeing shortly after the split). There was no problem or issue between us and she refused to see a counsellor. So I ended up a statistic since no matter what I wanted, all it takes for a divorce to happen is for one side to want out. She just did not value marriage as I did and I can attribute our divorce to

-- little stigma
-- fairytail expectations of marriage
-- ease of obtaining divorce if someone else interesting comes along

Note that in my first marriage we both had good role models in that both sets of parents are in marriages of greater that 40 years . . .


But in the long run, divorce was good for me. Rather than be with a woman that did not care for me, I found someone else and have remarried. My faith in the concept of marriage is unshaken despite a bad experience.

Someone said why get married ?? Well for us, it was a public declaration of our love and commitment before our friends and family ( oh and we had 50 guests and paid for it ourself-- and her mother "gave her away" (dad deceased). The fact that we are now "legally" bound together pleases us.--

[Pekka]

Marriage is for losers who can't survive alone!

[MrFun]

I pity the young woman who marries only to have her dream wedding, and not because she loves the man she's marrying.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I meant that the Christain Church pepetuates it by not altering its service. It must still mean the same as it always did. However the people getting married only see it as a tradition thing.

Well we saw it as a troll, because I simply believe you are wrong. The Church sees it as simply tradition (ie, you don't have to even be given away, if you don't want to, in a Church wedding). I don't know why you think it is required in a Church service to be given away.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Pekka
Marriage is for losers who can't survive alone!

0.001/ 100

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I meant that the Christain Church pepetuates it by not altering its service. It must still mean the same as it always did. However the people getting married only see it as a tradition thing.

Well we saw it as a troll, because I simply believe you are wrong. The Church sees it as simply tradition (ie, you don't have to even be given away, if you don't want to, in a Church wedding). I don't know why you think it is required in a Church service to be given away.

True enough. But the fact remains that no one gives the groom away. The implication is that the groom is an autonomous being, but the bride is not (unless she has a "non-traditional" wedding -- and it says everything that a bride's declaration of autonomy violates tradition).

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by orange
honestly, the breakdown of the Male Dominated household. Equality in the sexes brings this kind of thing about. When women can start saying "No, I won't sit here and take this from him" instead of just simply going along with whatever's wrong with the marriage, more divorces will occur.

I think this is a bit of a myth really - one of the biggest of the feminist movement.

From what I have seen of marriage it seems designed to meet a woman's needs more than a man's. It bonds a man to help raise the children and provides a life partner. It puts all sorts of taboos and penalties around infidelity. This is a construct of female sexuality not male.

Consider males - they are not naturally monogamous or family responsible or home oriented the way most women are. Genetic studies are showing men would rather be out there playing the field, have several wives and father as many children as they can, preferably without having to raise them.

[Sava]

The statistics are misleading Mr. Fun... although around 50 percent of marriages in divorce, this does not take into account people who get multiple marriages. A significant portion of the couples that get divorced have been divorced before.

[Alexander's Horse]

There's a book called "the Selfish Gene" which some of you should read.

This idea that women are just passive victims of marriage is just nonsense.

Genetic studies are now revealing surprisingly high rates of children in families not fathered by the husband. This includes first children in a marriage, which suggests what women look for in a husband/life partner is about someone who will help raise the children, even if they are not their own. Both male and female seem not to have progressed much beyond the hunter gatherer instinct.

[orange]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I think this is a bit of a myth really - one of the biggest of the feminist movement.

From what I have seen of marriage it seems designed to meet a woman's needs more than a man's. It bonds a man to help raise the children and provides a life partner. It puts all sorts of taboos and penalties around infidelity. This is a construct of female sexuality not male.

Consider males - they are not naturally monogamous or family responsible or home oriented the way most women are. Genetic studies are showing men would rather be out there playing the field, have several wives and father as many children as they can, preferably without having to raise them.

A valid point. But I think the root cause of divorce is women oriented...I don't think men who get married think that "hmm, i'd rather be playing the field right about now...i'm getting sick of wifey...divorce!"

I think it's more a realization on the woman's part that they can't change the man and shouldn't have gotten deeply involved with him in the first place...only now, they are more able to get out of such a relationship. I don't think Men seek divorce because it is an admission of failure...for women I don't think this is as true...

I'm not trying to be a chauvanist here, I don't *blame* women, I'm actually glad they have more power over their relationships, but that's my thoughts...

[Alexander's Horse]

Both sides have to make compromises to make it work. Marriage is like a business partnership in a lot of ways. You need to be mature and a bit wise about it.

I think a lot of people today expect to be "in love" all the time. Its not like that for most people. Long periods of "in hate" too even in the best marriages. You have to work through it and be patient. You plant seeds and you have to nurture your little garden of love even when its not growing the way you planned.

The emotions are very very strong in a marriage, the good and bad feelings are just 2 sides of the same coin if you ask me. You go through a lot togther and you don't always see eye to eye. Those differences can colour a marriage for years and years, even forever.

Like the old song says, "I love you, hate you, love you, hate you, yet I love you till the world stops turning." That's what its like.

I think its a shame people break up over what other married people would just see as a bad patch. Its all in how you look at things - happy times together can be just around the corner and often come when least expected.

[Joseph]

Married Nov. 8, 1964. Still married to the same woman. 38 years 2 months 26 days. You have ups and downs, just take one day at a time.

[Switch]

OK, there are 4 pages, so I'm not going to read them, and just post my point of view even if it's a repeat.

IMHO, there are 4 things which will lead to a stable marriage:
1. A good role model for a well working marriage
2. Full knowledge of the implications, commitment, and sacrifices that will occur with marriage
3. A LOT of thinking (and prayer, if your religious) before you actually decide to pop the question. That includes a long time with your partner to make sure you actually are compatible
4. If you honestly cannot stay married with your partner, then do NOT run into a divorce. Look at it from every possible angle, and try everything before you break down into a marriage. Never do anything serious on a whim, and make sure you can leave the marriage without any anger or regret. I'm paraphrasing Dr. Phil (my mom watches the show, and the TV is in the same room as my computer), and I'd say it's the best advice on divorce.

That's my 2, err....4 cents.

BTW, good for you, Joseph.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Joseph
Married Nov. 8, 1964. Still married to the same woman. 38 years 2 months 26 days. You have ups and downs, just take one day at a time.

Congrats. Amazing how much joy a strong marriage gives to other people.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Joseph
Married Nov. 8, 1964. Still married to the same woman. 38 years 2 months 26 days. You have ups and downs, just take one day at a time.

congrats