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**reismark** · January 26, 2003, 14:04

Uh... go Bucs

**Ming** · January 26, 2003, 14:05

And the NFL didn't take commercials from Las Vegas to air during the Super Bowl because they don't want people to associate gambling with Football. So OK, how many people here are in some kind of money pool, or laid down a bet on the game...

**Imran Siddiqui** · January 26, 2003, 14:25

And of course Gruden knows the Oakland defense inside and out

And of course Callahan knows Gruden's game plan inside and out

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Go Raaaiders!

**walruskkkch** · January 26, 2003, 14:28

I am shocked, SHOCKED to find out there is gambling on the Super Bowl.

Take the Bucs and the points. Raiders win by 2.

**Ming** · January 26, 2003, 14:44

Yeah... I'm SHOCKED too

**walruskkkch** · January 26, 2003, 14:51

I bet you're shocked they played football in Champaign.

**mactbone** · January 26, 2003, 15:16

That was football? I thought it was one man's desire to grind back the clock to the "glory days" - you know, 1930, 1 yard and a cloud of dust...

**Ming** · January 26, 2003, 15:19

MacTBone beat me to the punch... that wasn't football... by either team, The Illini and the Bears.

**MRT144** · January 26, 2003, 15:27

i bet 10 bucks with my partner at work...hopefully i can use that money to buy lottery tickets the next day.

gambling is my only vice

**mactbone** · January 26, 2003, 15:34

I used to think the problem was Shoop, noe I realize that it's more than Shoop - it's Jauron's unswerving loyalty. Jauron hires Crowton as OC and Shoop as QB coach - Crowton leaves for BYU and Shoop is suddenly the youngest coordinator in the NFL. We have little improvement in QBs, especially Cade who you would imagine to be Shoop's responsibility, and Shoop denies the need for a QB coach citing that it would interfere with his contact with QBs. This past year we have two handicapped veterans and one young QB that played in Canada, and none of them were effective. Pressure is put on Jauron to hire a QB coach and he drags his feet citing the same things as Shoop. Jauron is loyal to a fault and lets his underlings control him.

I would be very interested in taking Carson Palmer, especially with his interest in maintaining Norm Chow as his OC. Maybe we swing a deal for Chow to be QB coach, and the opportunity to continue with the organization if/when Jauron is fired.

I'm just tired of "if we didn't have injuries" and "if the guys excuted". It's your goddamn job to MAKE the guys execute. It's your job to OVERCOME injuries. I don't see any other team blaming injuries, they accept the blame and think of ways to change and improve.
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**Dinner** · January 26, 2003, 15:35

So am I the only one who thinks Raiders fans are the most thuggish brutes in all of the NFL? I went to the huge pregame party the NFL & the city of San Diego put on last night in San Diego's Gaslamp district and the Raider's fans acted appallingly. Not all of them mind you but a very large number of them were gang bangers who started fights and verbally abused person's who wore Buccs shirts.

San Diego is normally such a peaceful and polite town and these freaks had a virtual riot for no other reason then because they were drunk and they could.

I mean these guys were worse then European soccer hoodlums.

**Ming** · January 26, 2003, 15:35

Just remember the key rule of gambling...

ONLY BET MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE

**Dinner** · January 26, 2003, 15:51

On the upside the NFL Super Bowl party was a total blast. There turned out to be tens of thousands more people then the city or the NFL anticipated so the crowd was absolutely the largest I have ever seen in my life. For four blocks by six blocks it was literally standing room only (and for two miles around it was simply crowded but not standing room) with five stages of free music being played, five different half hour long fireworks displays being put on simultanously (I had a 360 degree view of the best fire works I've seen; literally every where you looked the sky was light up with fireworks for a half hour), and best of all was the women. Words cannot describe what I saw, my friends.

**MRT144** · January 26, 2003, 15:55

i got a tax refund i can gamble away all year!

oerdin, we take pride in our thugmonastic ways...

**walruskkkch** · January 26, 2003, 16:00

Originally posted by Ming
Just remember the key rule of gambling...

ONLY BET MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE

Can you give me a thousand dollars?

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