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Another thing to keep in mind is that there aren't as many privates as you might assume. There are a lot of NCOs, who make more money. Many if not most people who enter the service as a private reach the junior NCO ranks before the end of their first term of service. Being a professional force with much lower turnover than a draft force means that there are more people with more years in service and higher ranks, which means that the average pay is a good deal higher than the figures given for new recruits.
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Re: Are US soldiers paid too little?
1300X12=26000?Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
I have read on a Croatian site that privates in US are paid only 1300 USD per month. Now that being a Croatian site obviously makes me think if that is correct as the subsequent 26000 USD/ year seem low to me for a professionals who are expected to risk their life at work .
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hi ,
become a warrant officer , they make plenty of money , and the job does not have the problems of an officer (!)
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Re: Re: Are US soldiers paid too little?
hi ,Originally posted by Frogger
1300X12=26000?
Must be that New Math.
he must mean twice a month , ......
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They are underpaid, but it is relatively easy to move up if you have the right attitude.
I recently left for many of the same reasons Oerdin described, AND the fact that I would like to be home more often than not.
@Oerdin: I saw Camp Bondsteel when it was a big empty hill as the 1ID rolled in... Now it is one of the biggest posts in Europe. If any money can be saved, I think cutting the fat from Brown and Root would be the biggest bonus.
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The fact that the US is basically defended by blacks and hispanics would suggest the pay is very low.
Maybe they should bring back the British system where soldiers and sailors got a share of the loot from battle wins.
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With benefits and such, US soldiers get paid ok. And during war time they often get "hazard pay". After serving 2 tours in Vietnam, my dad was able to squirrel enough money away that if he wanted to, when he returned he coulda bought a a really nice car, or even a middle-class home!
And when one takes into account the education levels of most lower level enlisted men, they will find with benefits and all, they make a pretty good living compared to others with equivalent education (i.e. high school diploma or equivaleny test) in other fields. Of course, the enlisted man does work hard for his living, with constant physical training and battle training, but most of the volunteers who make up our ranks do enjoy what they do, for whatever reason they do it.
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Bogus / TrollOriginally posted by Alexander's Horse
The fact that the US is basically defended by blacks and hispanics would suggest the pay is very low.
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good question, id be interested to find out. If i were to make an educated guess, id say most are of average intellegence, with a few above, and a few below. Any truely inept soldiers are weeded out pretty quickly. Its only during a draft and the country is desperate for troops when you get real morons operating heavy weaponry and heavy machinery...Originally posted by Tassadar5000
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I'd have to say soldiers are overpaid, seeing as how I am absolutely appalled at being forced to subsidize war through taxes.
Now, if you want to set up a system with a tiny, police-force like army, with a constitutional ban on fighting outside the borders of the US, then possibly I'd support a pay raise, provided I was not being forced to pay it.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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When I join the pay was $78.00 a month. When I left boot I was promoted to E-2, and I was getting 84 a month and when I was promoted to E-3 with over 1 year I was making a little over a 90 a month. Hey I thought that was big money for me. At home before I joined I was making $0.00. (1962)Comment
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I would have to agree with your assessment of brown and root. Those guys do next to nothing and then demand huge sums of money to do even that. The American employees literally sat around all day collecting their pay checks while their Albanian employees did all the work for a pentence of a pay check.Originally posted by Flatlander Fox
@Oerdin: I saw Camp Bondsteel when it was a big empty hill as the 1ID rolled in... Now it is one of the biggest posts in Europe. If any money can be saved, I think cutting the fat from Brown and Root would be the biggest bonus.
The problem is there was no competetive bidding so the prices went through the usual government bloat. At the current pay rate we could probably pay less by deoutsourcing that work and giving it back to military personnel. That said I wouldn't mind getting a job with Brown & Root in Europe.
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hi ,Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
The fact that the US is basically defended by blacks and hispanics would suggest the pay is very low.
Maybe they should bring back the British system where soldiers and sailors got a share of the loot from battle wins.
Give em shares in United Oil Iraq.................
dont forget the ragtag of internet troll who are amongst them , .......
it is thanks to that ethnical pool that the US army is one of the best in the world , .......
and if you really want a buck or two extra , sell yourself , there are great deals going on if you look at them , and last but not least , you can always join a unit that is in need of extra skill's , then the money starts to roll in , .....
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@ Oerdin
You saw the Brown and Root Albanians WORKING!
I kid you not, one day I watched two U.S. B&R employees and twelve Albanians take 14 hours to wash a GP medium tent.
Work-SmokeBreak-SmokeBreak--Breakfast-SmokeBreak-Work-SmokeBreak-SmokeBreak-GeneralSnackBreak-Work-Lunch-Smokebreak etc etc etc...
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