The army gets great fringe benefits. While you get paid only 26k a year or so... you don't have hardly any expenses. The military, like any other occupation in American capitalism, is paid the lowest amount possible for people willing to do the job. And Sloww... only a commie would suggest otherwise
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
get an overseas posting , for most e1 to e5 it double s the pay , or get a special course (!)
have a nice day
The fact that the US is basically defended by blacks and hispanics would suggest the pay is very low.
Based upon a report in Navy Times - I'll give you the numbers tomorrow, after I look it up, there is a proportionally higher percentage of minorities in the service. However, these minorities make up a higher percentage of noncomabt roles, such as YN, DK, PN, LN, RP, PH, JO, HM, DT and the like. The actual percentage of frontline combat roles is about par with the American landscape.
Speaking of which, does anyone know the averege test scores (not IQ, their fallacious) of averege recruits?
Any other questions for an overseas, about to be deployed active duty sailor?But I kick that ball, and I pray it goes straight,
If it does, then Coach says, "Good job number eight."
He doesn't even no my name is Andre Kristacovitchlalinski, Jr.
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Originally posted by Midshipman
Well, I am an E-4 based overseas. I get about 10% more. However, I also make base pay, cola, flyers pay, iminent danger and pretty much get a combat zone tax exemption every month so that adds up to about 50% extra money per month - about $2000 all told. However, you weigh that againt the fact that I work on average 70-80 hours a week, its not so good.
That's bull.
Based upon a report in Navy Times - I'll give you the numbers tomorrow, after I look it up, there is a proportionally higher percentage of minorities in the service. However, these minorities make up a higher percentage of noncomabt roles, such as YN, DK, PN, LN, RP, PH, JO, HM, DT and the like. The actual percentage of frontline combat roles is about par with the American landscape.
Well, I was my divisional yeoman in bootcamp, meaning I had to do a lot of paperwork, and keep track of stuff, but one of the things I had to do was keep track of test scores. Including peoples ASVAB, I would say that most people in the military are of the same intelligence as normal people out there. Some brighter, some not, but there is no real difference between them and the real world. Our jobs seperate us out more, just like in the real world. Of course, dunces dont get to become nucs, but even the military offers room to change. You can retake your ASVAB, and crossrate, if you want.
Any other questions for an overseas, about to be deployed active duty sailor?
, 70-80 hours a week is a lot , is your study time in it or so , ...
if not , get a transfer to another post if you like it , .....
huh , there are a lot of post's open in europe or japan for "special" skill's , ...
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Originally posted by Flatlander Fox
@ Oerdin
You saw the Brown and Root Albanians WORKING!
I kid you not, one day I watched two U.S. B&R employees and twelve Albanians take 14 hours to wash a GP medium tent.
Work-SmokeBreak-SmokeBreak--Breakfast-SmokeBreak-Work-SmokeBreak-SmokeBreak-GeneralSnackBreak-Work-Lunch-Smokebreak etc etc etc...
Pop Quiz: Who owns B&W?
I made the mistake of trading an American MRE for a Russian MRE once, just out of curiousity, so I could see how the other half lived. Yuck! Who ever is in charge of providing food to the Russian army should be drug out into the street and shot. It had the taste and consistancy of dog food. No wonder all the Russians were always asking me for American rations!
After that I finally understood why the Russians would bus 10 bus loads of soldiers every Saturday and Sunday just so they eat at Bondsteel's mess hall.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Flatlander: Were you at Bondsteel or Camp Casey? I was stationed at Bondsteel but I got to flot around a lot so I ended up spending alot of time in the British and German sectors. I even got to spend a week in Irish Army's camp since I took part in an exchange program.
Now, the Irish have a well deserved reputation for drinking. The Cantina opened each night at 6:30 and it stayed open until EVERY single last drop of alcohle was consumed. People would often by 10 beers at a time just so they could make sure they'd have enough to drink for the rest of the night.
One of my fondest memories of Kosovo is when the Irish throw a charity party and invited a bunch of KFOR brass to take part. Now Americans weren't supposed to drink so a couple of my Irish friends hooked my buddies and I up with some Irish Army Uniforms which we wore to the party. I remember getting put on the spot and trying to explain to an American LTC why a white guy (me), a Mexican, a black guy, and their Albanian interpretor all were in the Irish Army. He actually bought the story we told him too.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Flatlander: Were you at Bondsteel or Camp Casey? I was stationed at Bondsteel but I got to flot around a lot so I ended up spending alot of time in the British and German sectors. I even got to spend a week in Irish Army's camp since I took part in an exchange program.
Now, the Irish have a well deserved reputation for drinking. The Cantina opened each night at 6:30 and it stayed open until EVERY single last drop of alcohle was consumed. People would often by 10 beers at a time just so they could make sure they'd have enough to drink for the rest of the night.
One of my fondest memories of Kosovo is when the Irish throw a charity party and invited a bunch of KFOR brass to take part. Now Americans weren't supposed to drink so a couple of my Irish friends hooked my buddies and I up with some Irish Army Uniforms which we wore to the party. I remember getting put on the spot and trying to explain to an American LTC why a white guy (me), a Mexican, a black guy, and their Albanian interpretor all were in the Irish Army. He actually bought the story we told him too.
I made it to the Russian sector a few times, partied with the Germans a few times (I knew a guy over there and speak pretty good German so he gave me some "work" to do there).
The Eagles Nest (Camp Casey now maybe, or is Casey between Bondsteel and Monteith now?) was a pretty intense place when I was there, and the stoopid "jail-like" atmosphere around the camps at times was horrible. It was a looneybin, but the inmates were armed.
Did the Mad Mortarman ever make a return visit to any of the checkpoints? He was my favorite aspect of that little portion of my life.Some days are diamonds, some days are rocks...
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One of my fondest memories of Kosovo is when the Irish throw a charity party and invited a bunch of KFOR brass to take part. Now Americans weren't supposed to drink so a couple of my Irish friends hooked my buddies and I up with some Irish Army Uniforms which we wore to the party. I remember getting put on the spot and trying to explain to an American LTC why a white guy (me), a Mexican, a black guy, and their Albanian interpretor all were in the Irish Army. He actually bought the story we told him too.
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The pay for the army isn't great, but that doesn't bother me so much as the army's efficiency (read "lack thereof") in getting it to the enlisted men. My cousin, up until this month, had not received his pay in several months. It wasn't a huge deal for him (he pretty much saves his money, still pissed him off though), but I just kept thinking about other guys who had families to support and what that would do to them."Beauty is not in the face...Beauty is a light in the heart." - Kahlil Gibran
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"It is noble to be good; it is still nobler to teach others to be good -- and less trouble." - Mark Twain
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hi ,
, join the finance branch , .....
anyway , there are plenty of ways to make an extra buck in the army , if one really wants to get more money he could get training and posting in a special unit , often they pay far better then others , TDY pays not bad neither , the per diem and COL are sometimes also excellent , well the best is to talk to a career counselor or recruiter
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::: throws in $.02 :::
As an E-2 in the Navy, I would have to agree with the assesment that American Servicemen are very much underpaid. Many a paycheck when I looked at the statement and thought " Damn, I ain't getting paid enough".
That having said, American Servicemen for the most part recieve benefits that, quite simply, are non-existant in the Private sector. Free Healthcare on a scale most people don't have. Free housing, or, if you live off base, an allotmant based upon the average cost of rent in the area. Free food, OR, if you don't use the mess hall, an allotment. The allotment increases depending upon paygrade and whether or not you have family.
Tuition Assistance. The only thing you have to pay for for college courses are books.
Recreation stuff. I'm typing this on a Navy Provided computer, in a Navy Provided Internet Cafe, free.
Discounts on commercial items. We have Exchanges for retail items that do "price matching" with private stores "out in town." We also have a Supermarket, where, if the Navy Times hasn't been lying more 'n usual, there's an average of 30% off your bill.
So, for a young single guy like me who lives in the barracks and walks to work everyday, it evens out some.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
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Originally posted by Flatlander Fox I was at Camp Monteith actually, and fought off the birds crapping in our food (Ever see the HUGE flocks over Gjilane?) and such back when we first went in (1999).
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Did the Mad Mortarman ever make a return visit to any of the checkpoints? He was my favorite aspect of that little portion of my life.
Yeah, I swong through Monteith on several occations. The first PX they had there was a real dump but once they got those metal portable houses set up the place improved alot. There was a great German restaurant in Gjilane which my friends and I used to go to all the time. It was off the beaten path so no one ever really came looking for us and the Albanian who owned the place would always buy us a round of beer?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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BTW I got the names mixed up. Camp Casey was the base in Slopje, Monteith was in Gjilane, and Bondsteel was east of Vitina. I was thinking of Camp Monteith in my previous post but for some reason I wrote Casey.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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The Eagles Nest (Camp Casey now maybe, or is Casey between Bondsteel and Monteith now?) was a pretty intense place when I was there, and the stoopid "jail-like" atmosphere around the camps at times was horrible. It was a looneybin, but the inmates were armed.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Midshipman
Lonestar - whats your rate, where are you based and what do you do?
I'm a CTMSA Currently at CNC Corry Station, just downrange from NAS Pensacola. I'm killing time before I report to the U.S.S. Bunker Hill.
I'm due to be advanced to E-3 here by the end of the month though, and E-4 six months after that....CTM's have an accelerated advancement program.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
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