Westerns as human shields in Iraq

[Kramerman]

Meshelic,
I agree with most everything you have said. People say it is basically our word vs. Saddam's, and the poor fools are believing Saddam
*wipes tears from eyes*
Saddam, the man who staged a parade of "1000 dead babies" after the Gulf War, saying the US had killed them, the man who promised safety to his 2 brothers in law if they returned to Iraq after defecting, and then promptly kills both of them when they foolishly believed him... the lsit of lies go on and on. Saddam is an archetypical Machevellian Dictator. He is ruthless, and lies when he thinks it furthers his rule.

[Kramerman]

Meshelic, you are a PJ? Those guys are as hardcore as they come...

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Meshelic
I'm the one laughing at all you leftists who are going to end up with YOUR buildings flown into by airplanes, YOUR embassies blown up, and YOUR people murdered all over the world.

Grow up.

Meshelic

Your comments are so funny it´s hard to decide where to start.

Ok, I´ll give it a try: Did it even ever occur to you that, if the US didn´t support Israel, no one would have flown into any buildings? If you really can´t see that your avatar is very closely related to the problem, then you are indeed not a traitor -just a fool.

And who has ever blown up an Austrian embassy? You really could have taken it from this very thread that I am not American.

There is a whole world outside the US. As you say: Grow up.

[Meshelic]

Kramerman - I'm glad at least one person here has a sense of what's really going on.

Comrade Tribune - your point about the Indians and the Japanese is silly. The Indians were a tragic episode in American life, that is true, but that was how many hundreds of years ago?

And if the US didn't use the Atom bomb on Japan, the estimated casualties would have gone way before 400,000 on the American side alone. You forget that it was the Americans that saved YOUR country from the Nazi oppressors.

Ever heard of Hari Kari? or Kamikaze's? Do you think the Japanese would have SURVIVED as a nation if they were invaded by land? They would have thrown their lives away, or committed suicide in the end. They knew that. If anything, the American's saved the japanese from themselves.

Read your history, it's all there. I'm sure the Viennese teach history, right?

[DinoDoc]

We allow dual citizens in the army? You'd think that they would have learned thier lesson from Pollard.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Your comments are so funny it´s hard to decide where to start.

Ok, I´ll give it a try: Did it even ever occur to you that, if the US didn´t support Israel, no one would have flown into any buildings? If you really can´t see that your avatar is very closely related to the problem, then you are indeed not a traitor -just a fool.

And who has ever blown up an Austrian embassy? You really could have taken it from this very thread that I am not American.

There is a whole world outside the US. As you say: Grow up.

First off, American support for Israel had little cause for the 9/11 attacks, it had much to do instead with our troops stationed in Saudi Arabia.

And why would anyone want to blow up an Austrian embassy? Yall have never done anything to anyone... well, yall just dont do much at all... almost like yall were nonexistant really...

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Your comments are so funny it´s hard to decide where to start.

Ok, I´ll give it a try: Did it even ever occur to you that, if the US didn´t support Israel, no one would have flown into any buildings? If you really can´t see that your avatar is very closely related to the problem, then you are indeed not a traitor -just a fool.

No the problem is Arab refusal to allow the state of Israel to even exist. What if the, say, Czech's were totally opposed to Austrian EXISTENCE? Would you just stand there and let them walk all over you?

[quote]
And who has ever blown up an Austrian embassy? You really could have taken it from this very thread that I am not American.[.quote]

Well of course you're not American. You have an Austrian flag right? I'm not as much of an idiot as you think I am, but your responses aren't really helping your defense, Comrade.

You may not see it now, but it will happen to you. It will happen to everyone if someone doesn't do something about it NOW.

There is a whole world outside the US. As you say: Grow up.

Yeah, duh. I've been to Austria 4 times, and have lived there for 2 years. Lived in Germany for 5 years. Lived in Italy for a year, lived in Russia for a year....I've been outside the US. Don't pretend that you know me. You don't.



Kramerman - yes I'm a PJ. And yes it's very tough work, but I love it. It's certainly very exciting, and very fulfilling.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Kramerman
And why would anyone want to blow up an Austrian embassy? Yall have never done anything to anyone... well, yall just dont do much at all... almost like yall were nonexistant really...

That was related to the guy saying we would get our embassies blown up but for him...

As to Austrians: We discovered Genetics, among many other things: http://www.accessexcellence.org/AB/B...or_Mendel.html
I won´t even mention our many contributions to world culture, so as not to embarass Americans, whose culture is close to nil...

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Meshelic
The Indians were a tragic episode in American life, that is true, but that was how many hundreds of years ago?

One. Many hundreds of years ago, America was not discovered. Read your history, it´s all there.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Meshelic
No the problem is Arab refusal to allow the state of Israel to even exist. What if the, say, Czech's were totally opposed to Austrian EXISTENCE? Would you just stand there and let them walk all over you?

Austria has been in the same place for, wait a moment, 1007 years. The territory of Israel was taken away from its rightful owners only a few decades ago; your comparison is void.

[Kramerman]

I won´t even mention our many contributions to world culture, so as not to embarass Americans, whose culture is close to nil...

indeed, you have made contributions to world culture. As for american culture...


I dont like to insult people, but now i know your an idiot...

EDIT: sry, but i think you deserved that

[Meshelic]

Your whole argument is void Comrade! You are proud to be an Austrian, I see, but that's not our argument. The fact is, Austria is not going into Iraq. Nor are there any protesters from Austria setting themselves up as human shields in Iraq either.

Exactly what point ARE you trying to argue, Comrade? Other than bashing the USA, Israel?

And as far as the Indians are concerned, they were slaughtered by the Spanish, the Portuguese, betrayed by the English, and befriended by the French before the French game up it's territories in North America. A history expanding to 1492, when you-know-who sailed the ocean-blue. YOU CAN HARDLY LUMP ALL OF THEIR PROBLEMS ON THE USA.

Also, Israel was destroyed by the Romans thousands of years ago, their territory taken, and a once-fertile area plundered into a desert. The nomads and settlers living there (mistakenly called Palestinians, for there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people, regardless of what the media says), were mostly outcast Bedoin tribes that haven't done anything of any worthy mention. Since Israel became a nation, the Jews turned that desert into a sprawling irrigated area where crops grew and people were fed, unlike the Arab's living there who left it as a desert.

It was the British and the French who pushed for the resettlement of the former Jewish homeland. The natives there were merely Arab wanderers who didn't plan on really settling the area until the Jews showed up. Hence nearly a century of conflict in that region.

[Meshelic]

the culture of the U.S. is that it welcomed refugees from lands where they faced religious, civil, and personal persecution. The melting pot, so they call it. Of course Austria will have a more indwelled sense of culture, because it's been the same people living there for as long as it's existed, mostly of Germanic descent.

America, on the other hand, has welcomed immigrants from all corners of the world. Until recently when some of those immigrants began setting off car bombs, dealing drugs, and contributing to a rising crime rate.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Austria has been in the same place for, wait a moment, 1007 years. The territory of Israel was taken away from its rightful owners only a few decades ago; your comparison is void.

The "well, we were there first" arguement for the Palistine/Israel dispute can be made for either side. So bringing this up in one side's favor is, well, idiotic.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Meshelic
the culture of the U.S. is that it welcomed refugees from lands where they faced religious, civil, and personal persecution. The melting pot, so they call it. Of course Austria will have a more indwelled sense of culture, because it's been the same people living there for as long as it's existed, mostly of Germanic descent.

America, on the other hand, has welcomed immigrants from all corners of the world. Until recently when some of those immigrants began setting off car bombs, dealing drugs, and contributing to a rising crime rate.

Not to mention Hollywood, Broadway, television programming, music, Baywatch, etc...