Westerns as human shields in Iraq

[Comrade Tribune]

You all overlook that the Euros among them can´t be traitors, because the US Constitution means nothing to them. You are not the world government yet, even if you wish.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Giving aid and comfort to an enemy during wartime is treason Pekka.

I would give aid and comfort to any enemy of the United States. In fact, I am *myself* an enemy of the United States.

[Drake Tungsten]

In fact, I am *myself* an enemy of the United States.

To be an enemy of the United States, one has to actually be a threat. You're just a dumb Austrian...

[Jac de Molay]

All circle-jerking aside, I'm glad there's people brave enough to place their lives on the line to protest an unjust war that will kill untold number of civilians.

They are warriors for the cause of non-violence

[Drake Tungsten]

They are warriors for the cause of non-violence

I don't know if that was intentional, but it was funny nonetheless. Quite an oxymoron...

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
To be an enemy of the United States, one has to actually be a threat. You're just a dumb Austrian...

You prefer people like OBL who has worked on increasing his threat level?

[Pekka]

Comrade Tribune, but some EUros can be doing illegal stuff too, if they're allied to the US and try to harm their operations. I mean military alliance. I think it's not so cool to help the enemy of your ally, thus your enemy too..

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Pekka
Comrade Tribune, but some EUros can be doing illegal stuff too, if they're allied to the US and try to harm their operations. I mean military alliance. I think it's not so cool to help the enemy of your ally, thus your enemy too..

I don´t think there is much of a law against hurting US interests outside your own territory, ally or no.

Anyway, Austria is not a NATO member, so the US aren´t our allies. Personally I consider them enemies, but that´s just me.

[Pekka]

Combat Tribune, Sure I don't think it would be against Austrian laws.. but NATO members could face some tough times, I believe they have the same problems if they go there, as do US citizens..

Same goes here even when we're not NATO member except in the peace project, there's finnish citizen who has been caught in arms dealing with Iraq, he's been arrested here and he's about to face some serious charges.. Sure it's illegal anyway to be arms dealer, but they could even give him to the hands of US, giving him a free trip to Quantanamo vacation center. Personally I hope they do that.
Disclaimer: He was not born here, he's been admitted citizenship, his original country being Iraq so.. I think he's facing hard time. So, in a way we kind of think Iraq as our enemy too, and US more like ally even when we don't have military alliance.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Pekka
Combat Tribune, ...

It´s actually Comrade Tribune, but I like your way of spelling it, too...

[Dinner]

Here's the legal definition of treason in the constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Pekka
..., there's finnish citizen who has been caught in arms dealing with Iraq, he's been arrested here and he's about to face some serious charges.. Sure it's illegal anyway to be arms dealer, but they could even give him to the hands of US, giving him a free trip to Quantanamo vacation center. Personally I hope they do that.
Disclaimer: He was not born here, he's been admitted citizenship, his original country being Iraq so.. I think he's facing hard time.

Personally, I´d say it´s not a good idea to give citizens of known troublemaker countries, such as Iraq, Israel or the United States, citizenship here.

And yes, if selling arms to Iraq was against the law, and he did it from your territory, then prosecuting the guy is alright.

Delivering him to a rogue state like US, though, would be a crime. As a non-US citizen, his actions in Finland *cannot* be a crime against the US. Wait for him blowing up the US Embassy, before you even *consider* extraditing him.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Here's the legal definition of treason in the constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I witness against myself. Now shove it already.

[The Mad Monk]

Well, I believe these people are doing what their hearts tell them to. To sacrifice oneself for one's ideals is a trully noble thing, something to be admired in people, and I believe we should do what we can to help them.

They are doing this to deter attacks, but that isn't likely to happen unless we know where they are so we won't that location. So, to assist them, I propose that we give each and every one a GPS unit, so we know which of Saddam's critical facilities are being shielded.


*cough*

[JohnT]

And we need to give US Gov't backed assurances that we won't, repeat WON'T, attack those places surrounded by our protesting brethren and... sistren? Whatever...