Westerns as human shields in Iraq

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Kramerman I dont like to insult people, ...

Ah yeah...

Originally posted by Kramerman And why would anyone want to blow up an Austrian embassy? Yall have never done anything to anyone... well, yall just dont do much at all... almost like yall were nonexistant really...

If you dish out, don´t whine about having to take it...

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Meshelic
Your whole argument is void Comrade! You are proud to be an Austrian, I see, but that's not our argument. The fact is, Austria is not going into Iraq. Nor are there any protesters from Austria setting themselves up as human shields in Iraq either.

Who says none of them are Austrian? Have you checked all their biographies?

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Meshelic
The nomads and settlers living there (mistakenly called Palestinians, for there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people, regardless of what the media says), were mostly outcast Bedoin tribes that haven't done anything of any worthy mention.

I let Latuff answer that...

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Kramerman
The "well, we were there first" arguement for the Palistine/Israel dispute can be made for either side.

Only by lunatics who take 3000 year old claims serious.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Kramerman
Not to mention Hollywood, Broadway, television programming, music, Baywatch, etc...

Some of those are excellent examples of changing the world for the worse...

[cinch]

Mesh:

Have you seen any real footage out of Iraq? Did you see the picture of the 12-year old boy who apparently lost his arm from an American bomb? Israeli and American intelligence studied those pictures, along with several U.N. intelligence officials, and discovered through their research that the boy had been born WITHOUT THE ARM, a victim of Saddam's own use of chemical and biological weapons against his own people.

So you're implying that American bombs have never damaged Iraqi citizens?

These westerners going to Iraq are TRAITORS, by the full definition of the term. They are aiding the enemy, and seeking to sabotage U.S./Allied interests there. They should never be allowed to return.

The U.S. hasn't declared war on Iraq yet... These people are trying to prevent a war. There is nothing treasonous about that. They're simply doing what they feel is the right thing to do for humanity, which unfortunately conflicts with the ideas of the American government at this point in time.

Hussein still leads a rogue nation that seeks the destruction of his neighbors and the U.S. , after 25 + years in power.

The compare/contrast method doesn't help your cause here, as there are many other "rogue nations" that have despicable records. Is America justitifed in taking all of them over?

Also, Saddam does not seek the destruction of his neighbours. I'm not saying he's lovey-dovey with all of them, but he certainly isn't actively pursuing war with any of them. Nor is he pursuing action against the U.S. He's a murderous bastard, but he's not crazy.

Did I say anything even remotely close to "lets take away their free speech?" hell no. Don't put words in my mouth. Don't misquote me. RE-ARRANGING my comments and making them sound totally different is the epitome of denying free speech. Stop making a fool of yourself. You aren't making a point worth reading, listening to, or even responding to.

He didn't re-arrange your words at all. Why would you make that accusation?

Also: You say you defend freedom of speech, but then you go on to say that someone's words aren't worth even LISTENING to because you disagree? That's pretty closed-minded.

I don't see YOU jumping out of planes, rescuing fallen soldiers, learning medical techniques, fighting for what I believe is right. That's what I do, that's my job. I'm a damned patriot.

Ah, so military service is the only way to serve one's country? Why would you make such self-righteous statements?

Go ahead, sit back and judge. I'll be the one laughing in the future when YOUR buildings get blown up by by suicide-airplanes, YOUR embassies blown up, and YOUR people murdered all over the world.

This just devalues everything you've said in this thread. You're looking forward to the deaths of those who disagree with you? You may be a patriot, but you're no hero.

Grow up.

Grow up? Didn't you just wish physical harm upon those who disagree with you? I think it's apparent that you're being a little childish here...

NB: I'd like to point out that although I disagree with Mesh and others, I'm not advocating Comrade's hate of America. I like America, I just think that it can be a little misguided at times. And blind patriotism just plain irks me.

[Alinestra Covelia]

"People should not say horrible things about the terrorist Osama bin Laden. They are merely bringing themselves down to his level."

- Letter to Viz magazine

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by cinch
I'm not advocating Comrade's hate of America. I like America, I just think that it can be a little misguided at times. And blind patriotism just plain irks me.

I do not 'hate' America. I am just very much aware of the fact that the interests of America under its current leadership are 180 degrees opposed to my interests.

And patriotism as such is not bad, really. But would an American patriot support Bush? And as to Mesh: He obviously hasn´t sorted out, if he is an American patriot or Israeli. This is not the same, you know.

[Cyclotron]

I won´t even mention our many contributions to world culture, so as not to embarass Americans, whose culture is close to nil...

C'mon, Comrade. You say you don't hate America, and that you just oppose the interests of the leadership... that's fine. But it sure doesn't look that way when you post stuff like this... whatever possessed you to say that America has no culture?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Milosevic possibly killed a few hundred armed insurrectionists, which was his duty as a chief of state.

What? Muslim civilians don't count to a neo-Nazi like you? Figures.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by cyclotron7


C'mon, Comrade. You say you don't hate America, and that you just oppose the interests of the leadership... that's fine. But it sure doesn't look that way when you post stuff like this... whatever possessed you to say that America has no culture?

dont bother. he is quite irrational.

[Lord Merciless]

Austrians are kind interesting:

Wanted the "Anschluss" badly in 1938;

Loved to join the SS;

Then blamed everything on Germans;

Is the Naziest country in Europe today(Joerg Haider);

And they like to show their "moral superiority".

[David Floyd]

By the way, if being in the US Military and serving my country (and my ally's country) is treason, then I'm guilty as charged.

Oh, it isn't really treason. It certainly can be murder, though. For example, Paul Tibbets and every other pilot and bombardier who intentionally bombed civilian areas were guilty of murder, in WW2. In fact, any soldier who followed an order to shoot ANYONE who had done nothing against them or the US (originally, not defending themselves after the US got aggressive) is guilty of murder.

The point is, these soldiers had a choice. They could follow orders, and murder innocents, or they could refuse such orders - and order to murder innocents aren't valid anyway - and be moral people. I guess we know what these murderers thought about morality, huh?

I don't see YOU jumping out of planes, rescuing fallen soldiers, learning medical techniques, fighting for what I believe is right.

Fighting for what you believe is right? That's all well and good, but don't do it on my money. You want to fund yourself, go right ahead, but I don't wanna pay for your version of morality.

That's what I do, that's my job. I'm a damned patriot.

Great, you're a patriot. This is a good thing?

Go ahead, sit back and judge. I'll be the one laughing in the future when YOUR buildings get blown up by by suicide-airplanes, YOUR embassies blown up, and YOUR people murdered all over the world.

Why would you laugh when someone is killed?

Too bad it's my job to rescue people like you. Sometimes I resent it, all the while wondering if the good people are wasting their time.

Nice condescending attitude. Personally, I resent it when soldiers follow orders to murder people, and sometimes wonder if those who believe in right and wrong are wasting their breath.

In any case, these people who are protesting the war, trying to make a difference, are heros. And if their actions causes any pilot to think twice about murdering innocent people, that's wonderful.

[Shi Huangdi]

Comrade Tribune, I didn't think it would be possible to sink any lower, but you have. That cartoon is antisemitic and offensive.

[David Floyd]

Why is it anti-semitic to compare the actions of Israelis and Nazis? If the shoe fits, right?