Westerns as human shields in Iraq

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
PS Could you even afford a plane ticket to Iraq?

I can; and if I thought I can be of any help I´d make a trip over there and shake hands with one of Saddam´s dopplegangers. I just think they are very busy right now, and I don´t want to detract their attention from their main business, which is preparing to kill as many invaders as possible.

[The Mad Monk]

I say we give CT an "honorary" GPS, to commemorate his solidarity with these brave souls.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
PS Could you even afford a plane ticket to Iraq?

Well, no, but the Quakers or Catholic Worker might buy one for me if I asked.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Do you understand the meaning of the term 'cease fire'?

Do you understand the meaning of the term, "terms"?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
I can;

I wasn't talking to you though. Unless you are chegitiz's DL.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

I wasn't talking to you though. Unless you are chegitiz's DL.

I am not; though I usually do appreciate Chegitz`posts. Especially the last one where he showed that he, just like me, is working for a better understanding between Christians and the Left.

[Meshelic]

OK let me clarify some things.

My father fought in the Gulf War, and was there with General Shwartzkopf when the terms of the cease-fire, and herein peace treaty were delivered and signed by the Iraqi heads of state.

The document that the IRAQI officials agreed to expressly forebade the use of flying any military jets over the no-fly zone. The Iraqi's asked if they could use helicopters to "feed the people, transport officials, etc", which Shwartzkopf agreed to. But shortly after that, the Iraqi Republican Guard were absolutely using those helicopters to assault Kurdish factions in the north (IN THE NO-FLY ZONE OF ALL PLACES), not to mention to enforce their regime of brutality.

That is one example of them disobeying a treaty they signed themselves.

Now my father is retired, and I am in the American Special Forces, a ParaRescue (equivalent to Delta Force, Rangers....but Air Force).

Have you seen any real footage out of Iraq? Did you see the picture of the 12-year old boy who apparently lost his arm from an American bomb? Israeli and American intelligence studied those pictures, along with several U.N. intelligence officials, and discovered through their research that the boy had been born WITHOUT THE ARM, a victim of Saddam's own use of chemical and biological weapons against his own people.

Two examples of lies coming from Iraq.

These westerners going to Iraq are TRAITORS, by the full definition of the term. They are aiding the enemy, and seeking to sabotage U.S./Allied interests there. They should never be allowed to return.

You, Comrade Tribune, are among those people who have obviously been fooled by all the lies. Interesting you mention Slobadan Milosovich in your quotes below the messages, think on this:

Milosovich kills a thousand or so insurrectionists, people opposed to his regime, etc whatever.

Hussein has killed, in his lifetime, well over three million people, of both Iranian, Iraqi, American, Syrian, Jordan, Israeli, Saudi nationalities. In both wars and genocides.

Milosovich is in jail for warcrimes against humanity, probably for life...

Hussein still leads a rogue nation that seeks the destruction of his neighbors and the U.S. , after 25 + years in power.

Compare and contrast. Now tell me if the US and the UK shouldn't go in there. Tell me that Saddam is a good guy. C'mon.

People like you make me sick, and help me to realize that most people out there have been fooled, duped by wackos who would rather see the destruction of life rather than the extension of it. And THAT is why the Allies must go in there and depose him.

Meshelic

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Meshelic
These westerners going to Iraq are TRAITORS, by the full definition of the term. They are aiding the enemy, and seeking to sabotage U.S./Allied interests there. They should never be allowed to return.

Iraq's not my enemy. Nor is it the enemy of the American people. We may be it's enemy, but neither are we at war with Iraq nor is it trying to harm us in anyway. Therefore they are not traitors by any Constitutional definition of the term.

You, however, are a traitor to what it means to be American, which is to have the right to disagree with your government and peaceably resist it.

[Lancer]

On FOX news they had some Iraq bound jerk that was just stuffed w/ leftist catch phrases and trying to drown out the anchor man with them...even when the anchor was wishing him good luck.

"We need 10,000 westerners to go and live among the Iraqi people, that will stop a war!"

Ya, right. It won't stop the war but it might get rid of 10,000 radical leftist extremeists.

It might start a war once the Iraqi people get a load of that pushy idiot.

He had the manner of a person who knew he was doing something really stupid but dammit! That's not going to stop him...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
I am not;

Just the thing a DL would say.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Meshelic
Milosovich kills a thousand or so insurrectionists, people opposed to his regime, etc whatever.

Hussein has killed, in his lifetime, well over three million people, of both Iranian, Iraqi, American, Syrian, Jordan, Israeli, Saudi nationalities. In both wars and genocides.

Milosovich is in jail for warcrimes against humanity, probably for life...

Milosevic possibly killed a few hundred armed insurrectionists, which was his duty as a chief of state. Tell me you would let armed insurrectionists run amok in the United States.

Milosevic certainly shouldn´t be in jail for that. And his defense is going strong; the entire procedure against him is looking more and more ridiculous.

For Saddam´s supposed crimes, we only have the word of the United States, the power who extinguished the Indians and dropped an A-bomb on Japanese civilians.

And as to you, if I judge by your avatar, your loyalty does not even belong to the United States. The ideal person to decide who is a traitor.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Just the thing a DL would say.

You must be a DL of yourself; no one else could be that annoying.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
You must be a DL of yourself;

Clumsily turning accusations around. How sad.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Clumsily turning accusations around. How sad.

My; having our paranoid day today, haven´t we?

Btw, isn´t 'evil', 'conservative' AND 'capitalist' a bit much? Couldn´t you settle for just one of those?

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You, however, are a traitor to what it means to be American, which is to have the right to disagree with your government and peaceably resist it.

Where the hell did you get THAT from???

I never said these people were traitors for DISAGREEING with their government. ****, if American's didn't disagree, or others didn't disagree, there wouldn't be a USA and it would still be a British province!

Did I say anything even remotely close to "lets take away their free speech?" hell no. Don't put words in my mouth. Don't misquote me. RE-ARRANGING my comments and making them sound totally different is the epitome of denying free speech. Stop making a fool of yourself. You aren't making a point worth reading, listening to, or even responding to.

And for you Comrade Tribune, you don't know me. Calling me a traitor because I wear an Israeli flag on my avatar is like calling all Germans "Nazi's". Israel is allied with the US anyways, so where do you get off?

Obviously the uneducated are running rampant, even on the threads of Apolyton. Read your history boys. You can learn alot. I assume you failed that subject, eh?

By the way, if being in the US Military and serving my country (and my ally's country) is treason, then I'm guilty as charged.

I don't see YOU jumping out of planes, rescuing fallen soldiers, learning medical techniques, fighting for what I believe is right. That's what I do, that's my job. I'm a damned patriot.

Go ahead, sit back and judge. I'll be the one laughing in the future when YOUR buildings get blown up by by suicide-airplanes, YOUR embassies blown up, and YOUR people murdered all over the world.

Too bad it's my job to rescue people like you. Sometimes I resent it, all the while wondering if the good people are wasting their time.

Grow up.

Meshelic