Martial arts?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Jaakko
I was also thinking of wearing a wig, a false moustache and some '80s mirror shades so I'll look like a manly German TV detective like Schimanski.

Methinks shaving your head makes you look meaner.

[Sheik]

I do To-Shin-Do which is a variation of Ninjitsu. We focus on techniques that can be done by anyone. The art isn't based around competition and is based on the idea that the belts represent different styles. White/Yellow = Earth, Blue = Water, Red = Fire, Green = Wind. A White belt would focus on simple techniques while a blue belt would be fluid in his/her movements and would be fast to adapt while a red would be very forward moving. If you want more information check out:

http://www.questcenter.com/

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That's still dumb. You still have your back to your opponent, and your arms and legs are not evolved to operate in that direction. Not effectively, anyway.

Well, I guess if you do not understand the "mechanics" of Martial Arts, then as an outsider yes, it would seem Dumb, but you Never have your back so to speak to your opponent, you pivot, looking over your shoulder, prior to executing your technique, very effective, works on most applications, didnt say you kill everytime you do this, didnt say you whoop superman or cure cancer, I merely stated that the effective technique will function as designed, you look before executing. And try "looking" over your shoulder, you "see" fairly good, the "reverse" kick is meant as a counter to another technique by your opponent, like If me and another are fighting, I would never, ever throw a technique at the same time, JUST BEFORE or JUST AFTER but not at the same time. You will clash, if they counter then you counter, and so forth, Unless your John Wayne or Arnold Schwartzenghagger or Sly Stallone which case, nothing works short of a good script writer

But as for "effectively" yes, quite so, in fact its really quite basic Martial Arts DEfense, where you are "defending" yourself from an attack, not "Launching" an attack. Try fighting Heads up face-to-face for 10-15 minutes, throw 50 hard kicks and say 35 Hard punches-blocks, gets hard to do, standing toe-to-toe, you soon learn to be creative, "Outthink" or even "Outmaneuver" your opponent. Application has much to do with the mechanics, as does timing and skill, you dont just "reverse" on any occasion, situation has to be right, timing, ect. opportunity too helps!!



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[David Floyd]

I haven't seen it, and I don't know who made those decriptions - himself, his promotors, or his opponents?

Actually I can't remember who first used it - I believe an announcer who had trained with him.

If you will, however, compare a baseball bat and an epee. Which is faster?

An epee. But a leg doesn't cut like an epee, so I'll take the slightly slower baseball bat that'll do much more damage, seeing as how avoiding a well-timed Thai kick is tough anyway.'

If you can eat a solid kick to the mid-riff from me and still come at me without even pausing, I might as well surrender.

Again, it's all a question of a kick being timed to do maximum damage at a certain point - if I intercept a kick that's only halfway in, for example, it won't do nearly as much damage as a full kick, right?

BJJ relies on brute strength

That's totally incorrect. If BJJ relied on brute strength, how was a small guy like Royce Gracie able to beat lots of people bigger and stronger than him, such as Dan Severn? No, BJJ relies on movement and skill - strength has little to do with it.

[David Floyd]

But as for "effectively" yes, quite so, in fact its really quite basic Martial Arts DEfense, where you are "defending" yourself from an attack, not "Launching" an attack.

Again, I'm gonna have to play the UFC/Pride/K1 card - if that kind of thing was really effective, it would be used effectively in NHB competition.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Yes, middle kicks have the best reach, not high kicks. I am not a fan of high kicks - look good in movies, but too vulnerable in real life. They are also slow as DF pointed out.

Ask opponents whom fought Bill Wallace how slow or ineffective head kicks are?


Up to caliber of indivdual and proper execution and techniques!


As for reach, reach has not everything to do with effectiveness, timing and agility as well as having slight lateral and horizontal and vertical movement, if you put all your effort into a low front snap kick, to shin or mid section, I time correctly, do a jump reverse hook kick to you head, two things happen, a big resounding thud as you spin back and fall down and twoI may just decide toside kick your shin, turn kick your head Jung Kwon your throat Jirugi your face?

Not all the time, but when situation presents itself.

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[David Floyd]

Ask opponents whom fought Bill Wallace how slow or ineffective head kicks are?

Bill Wallace wouldn't last two seconds in today's fight environment of crosstrained kickboxers/grapplers. He never had to fight anyone like that back in his day.

[Jaakko]

I'd like a kick that will make the opponent fall down and grasp his leg/side/groin in pain for long enough that I can run away.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Again, I'm gonna have to play the UFC/Pride/K1 card - if that kind of thing was really effective, it would be used effectively in NHB competition.

Ok David, the only thing I am asking, since you believe in UFC as the Gospel, is in all case, you can stop or render head,mid and high kicks useless?

Im just asking, I am not saying head or high kicks are the "exclusive" way to go, certainly not, but they are still very effective.

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BTW, good open discussion going on, hope no one threadjacks this with misinformation, just keep on posting facts and experiences here Ladies and Gents!!

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Bill Wallace wouldn't last two seconds in today's fight environment of crosstrained kickboxers/grapplers. He never had to fight anyone like that back in his day.

LOl..like saying Football players back in Red Granges day couldnt compete with todays players, well, we will never ever know, unless someone Mugs Superfoot

[David Floyd]

I'd like a kick that will make the opponent fall down and grasp his leg/side/groin in pain for long enough that I can run away.

That's the beauty of a Thai kick - if done properly, it can collapse someone's leg in one kick. Then you don't have to run away - you can just stomp on their face for a little while until you get bored.

[David Floyd]

Ok David, the only thing I am asking, since you believe in UFC as the Gospel

UFC/Pride/K1 aren't ultimately definitive, yet I think they provide a good benchmark. It's the closest thing we have to no hold's barred mixed martial arts competition.

, is in all case, you can stop or render head,mid and high kicks useless?

First of all, realize that I'm nowhere near the level of a Royce Gracie or a Bas Rutten. Keeping that in mind, yes, I can neutralize most high kicks using relatively simple techniques - either blocks or catches.

But my experience is that most people aren't going to try kicks like that right off the bat. For example, when I fought the 3rd degree TKD fighter, he started off with a spinning back kick - I simply avoided it, thai kicked him in the leg a couple of times, and pretty much bull rushed him to overwhelm him with punches. The fight took maybe 30 seconds before it was effectively over.

Im just asking, I am not saying head or high kicks are the "exclusive" way to go, certainly not, but they are still very effective.

Sure, against very inexperienced people. I was helping train one of my friends the other day in standup - he's almost exclusively a grappler, and wanted to learn. He kept dropping his hands and exposing his head, so I kicked him in the head a few times to teach him to keep his hands up and stop exposing himself.

LOl..like saying Football players back in Red Granges day couldnt compete with todays players, well, we will never ever know, unless someone Mugs Superfoot

It's not like saying that at all. Granted, it's totally counterfactual, but it's certainly a fact that Wallace never had to fight anyone with the crosstrained skill of today's fighters. Bruce Lee didn't either, for that matter.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by David Floyd


That's the beauty of a Thai kick - if done properly, it can collapse someone's leg in one kick. Then you don't have to run away - you can just stomp on their face for a little while until you get bored.

Now THIS staement I totally agree with, watching the fighters train and compete, if used correctly, sure bet someone gonna cry Uncle!!

If anyone here has a Video Store with some older Martial Art Movies, watch Fighting Black Kings, Real Time Documentary of Full Contact fighting, IIRC, somewher around 1970's-maybe late 1970's or very early 1980's havent seen since maybe 1983..but real footage IIRC from Asia, all sorts of styles, very informative!!


Of course, there is allways Tong Poo..DO NOT WANNA be around that dude, unless script writer has me as his favorite character!!
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[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by David Floyd



First of all, realize that I'm nowhere near the level of a Royce Gracie or a Bas Rutten. Keeping that in mind, yes, I can neutralize most high kicks using relatively simple techniques - either blocks or catches.

But my experience is that most people aren't going to try kicks like that right off the bat. For example, when I fought the 3rd degree TKD fighter, he started off with a spinning back kick - I simply avoided it, thai kicked him in the leg a couple of times, and pretty much bull rushed him to overwhelm him with punches. The fight took maybe 30 seconds before it was effectively over.



Sure, against very inexperienced people. I was helping train one of my friends the other day in standup - he's almost exclusively a grappler, and wanted to learn. He kept dropping his hands and exposing his head, so I kicked him in the head a few times to teach him to keep his hands up and stop exposing himself.

Wow, Im sorry, I was reading this Post, started tearing up, choked on my food, I mean for real, you are that good, that all high kicks are virtually useless?.. ..and only usefull against "Inexperienced" people..otay I am gonna have to go read Old Yellar, something that makes me Sad so i quit Howling, I mean, To read this, well..I am sure sorry that you have not been exposed to any worthwhile opponents, I mean..leave the elemeentary school kids alone, try grade school or even high shcool age?

J/K David..thought since you were throwing some funny lines out there, i might try the same

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[SKILORD]

Muay Thai kickboxing is excellent.

Brazilian Jiujitsu is also excellent.

I agree, but you have them in the wrong order (Even tho i'm better at Muay Thai i perfer juijitsu, Gracie I assume)