gays in the military?

[Pekka]

And as for women, I did my service with some women and had to train few privates that were women. Now, they were as good as men, some better than the average guy. Sure, some of them likes to cry when we need to give little more motivation or stuff like that, but majority was good. Women didn't seem to have the bad side of some men, slacking. THey didn't avoid doing stuff that much, they did what they were told to do, and didn't bring their own opinions, like some men wanted to do. Of course that led to more motivation activity and made some women cry more, but hey, that's life.

But the tough ones, let me tell you, I'd go to fight with some of them any time. Sure, they're smaller, and lack some strength, but there are many things that they can do as good as men, or even better.

Now I can't see what there is in the army, that gay men can't do.

Only thing is, I wouldn't get so much women to combat, since I believe it takes the morale of the men down if they get to see them die much, maybe some men feel they need to do some rescuing and stuff like that. That is problem in men though, not in women, so it's our fault.

[Pekka]

And you know who the biggest problems was? It was the whining men. Women didn't whine so much, or at least they did get it the first time when told to shut up.
They submitted to the will of trainers much easier, and tried harder. And they didn't try any silent protesting, talking **** behind your back, and stuff like you could expect from women. That was from men!

[Boris Godunov]

Stand up comic I recently saw:

"I'm all for gays in the military! Hell, if we're in a war, I'd like to know that the guy watching my ass found it cute and actually had a vested interest in keeping it safe."

[Az]

Azazel, well I don't know if it's only myth, history has lots of examples of good gay warriors.

and straight ones, as well. Basically, this has nothing to do with that.

Boris Godunov: couldn't agree more.

women in combat: my only reservations that there should be the same physical and mental criteria to men and women in all jobs, including the military. Women having period might cause a problem, but I seriously don't know the exact physical implication ( ignorance is bliss. ).

[Pekka]

azazel, I agree with you. Most women can't meet tough requirements for combat, so they're automatically out, they shouldn't get any help with it. If they can do it, pass the requirements, then sure.

Yeah, it doesn't make any difference in combat skills if someone is gay or not.

[Az]

Pekka

[orange]

Originally posted by Pekka
I don't think gays in military is a problem.. It's a problem if we make it a problem but come on.

I think that's what they're trying to prevent

[Boris Godunov]

Okay, this agreement and lovefest is making me queasy. Someone get Boddingtons in here so we can yell at a neanderthal.

[Jarouik]

Originally posted by Pekka
Now I can't see what there is in the army, that gay men can't do.

I agree as well... though I chose civil service instead of the army, my boyfriend was in the army and was out to all the people serving with him. Since he doesn't resemble the negative gay stereotype, he had no trouble there and he actually had fun on the expense of homophobic straight guys, such as jokingly harassing some of them As far as I have understood, he was an excellent soldier, so at least the Finnish army should have absolutely no problem with openly gay people.

[Az]

I must admit, that I personally have problems with the negative gay stereotype, and the 'infant provocateur' types. but as long as it doesn't offend anyone, I'll tolerate. that's what tolerance is all about.

My general position on gayness:

It's not right, but It's ok. I wouldn't like my kid to be gay, but I wouldn't be terribly upset if he was. It's like smoking, in many ways. we all know smoking is bad, but do we hate smokers? Do we constantly tell them to stop smoking (unless it's a public place, and you don't want to be passive).It's very similar, only a bigger aspect of the individual's life.

[Arrian]

Okay, this agreement and lovefest is making me queasy. Someone get Boddingtons in here so we can yell at a neanderthal.

-Arrian

[orange]

it is a lot like smoking...their mouths are constantly on those dirty fags...

[Az]

I want to see is my pov acceptable by gay people. Yes, boris I am talking about you.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Azazel

It's not right, but It's ok. I wouldn't like my kid to be gay, but I wouldn't be terribly upset if he was.

Well, what do you mean by "not right?" I would ascribe to the same thing provided by that, you meant in the same way that being heterosexual isn't "right," it just IS. There is no right or wrong about it.

I bristle at it being compared to smoking, however, as smoking creates a multitude of ills inherent to the act that makes it negative both for the participant and the innocent bystander. Homosexuality carries no inherent problem of that kind. Then there's the whole point that smoking isn't comparably a part of who anyone is. Anyone can choose to smoke or not.

Were your kid to be gay, but it was in a world were homosexuality wasn't thought of any differently than heterosexuality and there was absolutely no stigma attached to it, would you feel the same way? In other words, would your dislike come from the type of life you knew they would leave (being subjected to bigotry and such), or because of something you deem inherently wrong with homosexuality?

[orange]

I think it would take some getting used to, but I'd be 100% ok with my child after the initial shock if they turned out to be homosexual.

A friend of mine came up with an interesting way to break it to her parents that she was a lesbian...she and her long time best friend (guy) sat on the couch and she said "mom, dad, i have something very important to tell you" and held his hand...

"I'm Pregnant"

Mom and Dad are shocked since the two are not married.

"no no I'm just kidding! I'm only gay..."

She said it worked for about a minute...then they gave her the silent treatment, and wrote her a letter at school telling her that she was disowned and they were embarrassed and had no daughter...