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  • #46
    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Dear Leader (the only person who matters) seems to be quite insane as even you admit. So it is kind of hard to take his views into account.
    No it isn't

    a) He hates everybody else
    b) He's afraid that the US is going to invade NK
    c) He's too vain to ever admit he was wrong
    d) He wants other countries to give him things like food and oil

    The solution is to always make veiled threats, but be willing to negotiate. Because if you take a hard stance in public and then have to back down he owns your ass forever.
    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
    Killing it is the new killing it
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    • #47
      Actually a quiet Clintonesque (blowjobs, etc) type of negotiation would work well.

      If there is one thing I have learned in my life it's that when you deal with angry nutjobs, the best thing to do is to calm them down, and that provocation actually is what they want to do because nothing makes them happier than blowing their stack.
      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #48
        Originally posted by DanS
        Just don't give them anything. Let them bleet on about a sea of fire or whatever. Do international sanctions.
        And? Problem remains. The clock is ticking. They develop more and more warheads. They sell some. China and Russia won't go along with sanctions, so the NK eke out their existence long enough to cause real problems.
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #49
          I don't agree that China and Russia won't go with the sanctions. China is rathar embarrassed by this whole thing.
          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • #50
            China and Russia will pressure them to stop well before that time.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #51
              Originally posted by DanS
              He's bluffing. And if he isn't, then we might as well have this fight now, not in the future.
              You really want to fight NK? You find a situation like that preferable to one in which they really slowly develop a small nuke stockpile?

              And yes, if you are going to fight NK, then you sure as hell better do it now rather than 10 years from now. Because 10 years from now they might well be dropping nukes on LA.
              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
              Ultima Ratio Regum

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              • #52
                Ironically, the cave busters dropped in Afghanistan were developed for use in North Korea.
                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker
                  China is rathar embarrassed by this whole thing.
                  I doubt that China really cares otherwise they would be putting much more pressure on NK to stop than they are.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    China and Russia will pressure them to stop well before that time.
                    I'm not as optimistic as you. And the fact that the US is slowly offering them more and more while refusing to actually "negotiate" might tell you that they are coming to the same conclusion that I have.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #55
                      The clock is ticking on NK, not us. That's why they've tried to ratchet this up, post haste.

                      " And yes, if you are going to fight NK, then you sure as hell better do it now rather than 10 years from now. Because 10 years from now they might well be droping nukes on LA."

                      You've got to be prepared and willing to fight at any time for the deterrent to be valid. But I'm more advocating an ignore approach, letting it be known that when they are really serious about giving up their nukes to go back to the Agreed Framework, then we're all ears.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        Dear Leader (the only person who matters) seems to be quite insane as even you admit.
                        "Even I"?

                        I wonder if Apolyton still has a record of me calling NK insane from a year and a half ago...
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
                        Ultima Ratio Regum

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          I doubt that China really cares otherwise they would be putting much more pressure on NK to stop than they are.
                          Well they can't do it in public because then that makes China look even worse.

                          Remember, since they are China's *****, it all has to happen behind the scenes. I also don't think China would like to be seen as working under American policy.

                          We've seen this same kind of back door diplomacy with those **** head Saudis. Disagree in public but agree behind closed doors.
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            The clock is ticking on NK, not us. That's why they've tried to ratchet this up, post haste.

                            " And yes, if you are going to fight NK, then you sure as hell better do it now rather than 10 years from now. Because 10 years from now they might well be droping nukes on LA."

                            You've got to be prepared and willing to fight at any time for the deterrent to be valid. But I'm more advocating an ignore approach, letting it be known that when they are really serious about giving up their nukes to go back to the Agreed Framework, then we're all ears.
                            You really think that ignoring them will work? And why would it be so hard to go the table and let them look like they got what they wanted? Because saying that they have to agree first is not a substantive gain.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Frogger
                              "Even I"?
                              It took you that long to see that?
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #60
                                How old is that **** head anyway?

                                Assassination an option? Any unrest within the borders?

                                At least a nasty case of jock itch would be enough to knock him out of his wits.
                                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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