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  • #91
    Originally posted by DanS
    "They had some sort of small-scale uranium-separation plant going and you still managed to find it with only satellite photos."

    We found one uranium separation plant. Who's to say they don't have 1 or 10 or 100 others?
    Because if they had the ability to hide them on that scale you wouldn't have found conclusive proof of the one you did.
    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
    Killing it is the new killing it
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    • #92
      And if you really believe that they had a hundred then you better move away from urban areas, because they've already sold some bombs.
      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
      Stadtluft Macht Frei
      Killing it is the new killing it
      Ultima Ratio Regum

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      • #93
        I don't think it will come down to fighting, but at the same time I don't think the Clinton method is the best option either.

        And if it DOES come down to fighting, China and Russia had better get it on this.
        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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        • #94
          They might, but as far as China's concerned it might not be on the side you want.
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • #95
            "But that also means that you really are going to have to fight NK."

            There is always that possibility. There always has been that possibility, mind you.

            We've been down this road before in the Cuban Missile Crisis, with a whole lot more marbles on the playground blacktop.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #96
              "But remember that when it comes down to it they're willing to sacrifice a hell of a lot more for their pride than we are."

              This isn't for pride for us. This is for a nuclear deterrent.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #97
                And you backed down there too. Pulled your missiles out of Turkey. Apparently the SU didn't care as much about appearances as the US did on that day...
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #98
                  That was anything but "backing down."
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #99
                    "Because if they had the ability to hide them on that scale you wouldn't have found conclusive proof of the one you did."

                    The point is, inspectors can basically only inspect areas that they know about.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker
                      That was anything but "backing down."
                      Hah. Then what was it?

                      You got a public win at the cost of a private negotiation. You could have had the same fwith NK, but instead blew the story wide open and set yourself up for an embarassment...
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #101
                        "And you backed down there too."

                        Was it perceived as such?
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #102
                          That's the point. Read my last post. Going public was a bad idea here. NK isn't the USSR, Kim Il Jung isn't Kruschev. They pride the appearance over the substance.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by Frogger


                            Hah. Then what was it?
                            Backing down implied a one sided victory. I don't recall the US asking for a remove all the missles or else solution. Of course there were things laid out on the table.

                            You got a public win at the cost of a private negotiation. You could have had the same fwith NK, but instead blew the story wide open and set yourself up for an embarassment...
                            This story is still unfolding. I think you're too optimistic with what those negotiations could have accomplished. They don't work too well if the other party doesn't follow through on them.
                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #104
                              We went public with the Cuban missile crisis too. Doesn't forestall talks.

                              "They pride the appearance over the substance."

                              How do you figure?
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                We went public with the Cuban missile crisis too. Doesn't forestall talks.

                                "They pride the appearance over the substance."

                                How do you figure?
                                See point one from my first post.

                                Kim is a tinpot dictator. He has pride, and the need to look good at home. Kruschev was in charge of a superpower. Had less of an inferiority complex.
                                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                                Killing it is the new killing it
                                Ultima Ratio Regum

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