Israel Election- Azazel participates in democracy, turns into a political prositute

[Eli]

More to Gnu :
The 20% figure is incorrect because of the birth rates. 50% of the Arabs are under age 18 so they cant vote. Percentage wise the Jewish population is older, so it's not exactly 20%(19% actually) but more around the 13-14%.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Azazel

cute. but I don't see real solutions. Do you really believe that Israel alone can make an end to the violence? It takes two for peace, it takes one for war, no matter who do you believe is the MAIN cause of violence, It's obvious that there is violence from both sides.

Of course. I don´t question that in any way. But someone has to start. It might as well be Israel. If Israel alleviates the restrictions set on palestinian villages and generally makes it more pleasant for the palestinians, much of the violence will stop I think. There will always be religious fanatics, but you don´t have to give them so much for free (as it is now).

There will also have to be some sort of Israeli-Palestinian joint venture in supressing violence from groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the settlers (and their supporters).

A safer Israel and better living conditions for the palestinians on occupied territory will benefit everyone (except for the most bloodthirsty fanatic Palestinians and Israelis) . Don´t you agree?

Well, time for lunch.

[Az]

erm, no Eli. Arab birth rates in Israel are overestimated.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Azazel
A funny vote about Hadash, and it's arab members. :

lately, there was a meating scheduled between the Hadash leadership, and some activists in the gay/lesbian community. Guess who didn't come? the arab memebers. Obviously, the arab members of the party, are as communist as Ronald Reagan,and are still guided by the traditionalist mentality of hating the gay, opressing the woman, etc.. It was rather funny to try and to justify posters on indymedia.org.il that piggish behaviour. "they're under a lot of constraints. We shouldn't forget that the arabs are the real victims... " yeah. the real victims, pushing jobs to their family members, corrupt leadership of local authorities. Way to go, "commies"!

It´s no secret that a lot of "commies" harbour homophobic and misogynic (sp?) feelings. Personally, I think it stinks

[Az]

while risking to be accused of flaming and ad hominems, I think that this behaviour is similar to the "national bolshevick" movement, which has voted for the introduction of priests in the public school systems. they are together with the Communist party of Russia members of the ( get this! ) National Patriotic Union !!!!!! COMMIES!!!

[Eli]

Originally posted by Azazel
erm, no Eli. Arab birth rates in Israel are overestimated.

I'm sorry, but it's a fact. 40-50% of the Arabs are below voting age.

[Az]

errm, any real data?

50% are the figures in the Gaza strip. this is not true in Israel proper.

Kamrat: *sigh* if only it would be so. Thing is, that EVEN if the Israeli government stops pushing hard against palestinian civilians (which is wrong IMO), what guarantee do we have that the palestinian authority which will reinstate itself will see eye in eye with Israel?

The fact is that noone in the palestinian leadership has anything to gain from peace. What will they offer their people in peacetime? misery, corruption and oppression? meanwhile Israel will thoroughly decide to block itself from the PA, to solve numerous issues it creates, as security. So they'll lose even more in the economy. the population explosion is VERY near in the gaza strip. That's why I want to get the settlers out of there, when **** hits the fan. How will their economy exist when HALF of people in the gaza strip are less than 18 years old? But if there is war, there's someone to blame. 'THEM'. they'll continue to recieve support , and will continue to fight for them, and if Israel caves in, it would give them something more to boast about.

The evil Zionist government ( ) has much more to gain from peace than the palestinian 'freedom fighters'. This is a fact.
the economy will instantly improve, due to the investments in a peaceful country with a technological society, and a high tech culture, the amount of money collected from taxes will rise, and everyone will feel good, AND WILL VOTE FOR THEM.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Azazel
Shinui is NOT the republican party:
It's pro-gay rights. It's against religion.

The Republican party is not anti-gay or pro-religion. It certainly is against atheist puritans who want to stop the free exercise thereof.

I would be surprised if Shinui was anything different.

[Stefu]

Well, Azazel? Make an election selector!

[Tripledoc]

You say that if peace is achieved

Originally posted by Azazel
the economy will instantly improve, due to the investments in a peaceful country with a technological society, and a high tech culture, the amount of money collected from taxes will rise, and everyone will feel good, AND WILL VOTE FOR THEM.

I often hear Isrealis say that israel has a 'a high-tech culture' and I am curious in what areas research is being conducted.

I've heard that Israeli scientists have found a way to grow bone-mass.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Azazel

Kamrat: *sigh* if only it would be so. Thing is, that EVEN if the Israeli government stops pushing hard against palestinian civilians (which is wrong IMO), what guarantee do we have that the palestinian authority which will reinstate itself will see eye in eye with Israel?

The fact is that noone in the palestinian leadership has anything to gain from peace. What will they offer their people in peacetime? misery, corruption and oppression? meanwhile Israel will thoroughly decide to block itself from the PA, to solve numerous issues it creates, as security. So they'll lose even more in the economy. the population explosion is VERY near in the gaza strip. That's why I want to get the settlers out of there, when **** hits the fan. How will their economy exist when HALF of people in the gaza strip are less than 18 years old? But if there is war, there's someone to blame. 'THEM'. they'll continue to recieve support , and will continue to fight for them, and if Israel caves in, it would give them something more to boast about.

The evil Zionist government ( ) has much more to gain from peace than the palestinian 'freedom fighters'. This is a fact.
the economy will instantly improve, due to the investments in a peaceful country with a technological society, and a high tech culture, the amount of money collected from taxes will rise, and everyone will feel good, AND WILL VOTE FOR THEM.

Well, the palestinian leadership must go of course. Arafat is not doing any good right now. His time has passed IMO. The credibility of the palestinian leadership is tarnished (not to say completely shot to hell...) by the inability to stop Hamas and Islamic Jihad and others like them. I know if there must be some sane people left on the palestinian side, it´s just a matter of finding them and supporting them (from Israel as well as from the international community). But as long as the palestinians live in misery, nothing will change. The cycle of suicide bombings and retribution will continue

We (the international community and Israel) must give the palestinians a reason to make peace, for, as you say, they have nothing to loose today. That is, after all, why they are blowing themselves and innocent israelis to death.

But I can´t even start to imagine how it is living down there, Azazel. With all the hatred, fear and general mistrust. So I don´t blame you (or Eli, Siro, et al) for being somewhat sceptic to my thoughts and ideas....

[Az]

The Republican party is not anti-gay or pro-religion. It certainly is against atheist puritans who want to stop the free exercise thereof.

Shinui have nothing against religion. they're against many religious laws that plague this country. btw Ned, do you really believe in creation and that kids should study it at school?

tripledoc: we have IIRC the highest number of cellphones per capita. Our biggest exports are pharmaceutics, electronics, software, processed diamonds, plastics and agricultural produce.
some military hardware as well.
Israel has the largest amount of R&D workers in the world per capita, as well the largest amount of high-tech workers per capita.
and IIRC, that research exists. I am not sure, though.

Well, Azazel? Make an election selector!

Ok.... *goes slaving in the selectsmart.com mines*

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Kamrat X

We (the international community and Israel) must give the palestinians a reason to make peace, for, as you say, they have nothing to loose today. That is, after all, why they are blowing themselves and innocent israelis to death.

And they (the government of Israel) should reduce the reasons Palestinian Leders can use to persuade other Palestinians to blow themselves and other people to death.

For example by actively tearing down illegal Settlements in the occupied territories (and stopping any building activities for new illegal settlements).

One of the IMHO few really good Plans, Sharon made was erecting a fence along the border of 1967, thereby restricting the Access of Palestinians into israel Territory.

Combined with gradually tearing down the settlements in the occupied territories, it could be a way to reduce tensions and maybe making israel territory better controllable.
If the Israelis withdraw from the occupied territory, taking with them all those checkpoint which hinder free movement of Palestinians there (Movement of Palestinians within the occupied Territories is restricted, they often have to cross several checkpoints with Searches just to get from one town to the other) and leaving their settlements there, they would do a lot to reduce tensions.
And by erecting a fence along the israelian/palestinian border with checkpoints for any palestinian who wishes to cross into israelian territory, they could reduce the chances of Suicide Bombers slipping through.
Of course the palestinian borders have to be controlled by UN-Forces, just to prevent some radical Movements of smuggling LongRange Missiles into the coun try, which could be used for Attacks on Israeli Cities across the border and the current leadership has to go, as Kamrat already mentioned.

But I think, it would be an Idea which would be worth a try (although it also would be strongly opposed by religious groups within Israel [those who promote the building of new settlements within the occupied territoreis, because they think, all of palestine belongs rightfully to the Folk of Judaea] and it surely will be opposed by the current palestinian leadership and the radical islamic movements in Palestine.

Just my 2 cent



And now flame me

[Eli]

Of course the palestinian borders have to be controlled by UN-Forces, just to prevent some radical Movements of smuggling LongRange Missiles into the coun try, which could be used for Attacks on Israeli Cities across the border

Great idea. I'm sure they'll do it, considering their so succesfull record in Lebanon.

[DaShi]

This takes me back.