Greece faces shame of role in Serb massacre

[Bereta_Eder]

DL Ozz up your arse DL, everyone knows it you are.
your antihellenic views are well known by now.
And cant break anything that is acting illegal to begin with.
get your facts straight once more.
when scores die from illnesses you have to DO something or youre not human. i know you are not but talking generally
but i agree that outsiders did the most damage. 2000 civilians didnt die from the inside...

And Greece is the president of the EU, currently.
And a godamn goodlooking country too.


Dinodoc, love you too honey

Originally posted by Arrian
In other words, if the Nato countries showed up in court too, to respond to the accusations such as those made on that website (you don't claim that the site is an objective news site, do you? It's a Serbian site dedicated to their side of the story. That doesn't mean it's all made up - it means it's only part of the picture), you would be happy to rationally discuss the possible involvement of Greeks?

I too would say "let's go." Unfortunately, I'm not capable of bringing that to pass, except for supporting in my own little way (voting) the US joining the ICC.

-Arrian

Absolutely
In this case, I would be not only willing but happy to have all countries including Greece go there and have a fair trial for all.

Because I believe that transparency coupled with justice for all is what will make this world a better place.
No matter how this sounds, it's the truth and is far more brave than any "fighting hawk military gays politicians".

[Arrian]

I have not idea what "fighting hawk military gays" are.

But I'm glad we found something, eventually, to agree on.

Still think I'm an "idiot" Paiktis?

-Arrian

[Sava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Seig Heil, Sava. You sound like David Duke.

Coming from a conservative in Mississippi, I guess you're the expert how's your senator doing now.... oooooooooooohhh!

"We kicked Turkish as5 at the original battle of Kosovo, no reason we're going to let some human scum steal our homeland from us."

I thought you were American?

I am... but I'm Serbian American foo!

I don't blame you Americans from not knowing what the situation is like. You haven't experienced the things me or my family has experienced. You don't know what life is like in Serbia, and you certainly don't know the history of Serbia during and after WW2. You see pictures of Slobo on CNN and hear catch phrases like "ethnic cleansing" and "mass graves" and you formulate this stereotype about what went on in Kosovo. You are victims of propaganda and that's why I don't hold it against you.

Maybe some day we can all sit around the camp fire singing KumBaYa and I can educate you about the things you don't know .

And just for the record, DD, because you so eloquently greeted me with that Nazi greeting... the Albanians and Croats allied with the Nazis during WW2... and then with the Stalinists afterwords. Many of my family were killed during the course of these events. So think about this before you go around butting into topics that you don't know sh!t about.

[Bereta_Eder]

Arrian,
I dont think you're an idiot.
In another place we would speak politely but here i have to piss off the trolls as well


gay military politicians are the firebrand "preachers" from whatever country who talk about wars etc

[DanS]

"I am... but I'm Serbian American foo!"

Can we ship you back over? I'm not one much for hyphenation.

[Flatlander Fox]

Once again, the discussion is sidetracked by grandstanding and name calling.

If the U.S. and U.K. trained and supplied the KLA, they would have defeated the Serb army.

I have seen both sides fight, and I can promise you that they were NOT trained by the U.S. or U.K.

Sava, accusing us of not knowing what happened there is silly, considering that opinions of eye witnesses and opinions of interested observers are very nearly the same.

I agree that people that should be held accountable for certain things that happened there. I also know that some of those people will never have to account for that.

It's not fair, but neither is life.

But to paint the whole issue with the colors of your choosing, without facts to back it up is a precedent that you shouldn't get into a habit of. Emotions are dangerous things.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DanS
"I am... but I'm Serbian American foo!"

Can we ship you back over? I'm not one much for hyphenation.

Sorry, I was born in the US. My mom's side is Serbian. Anyways, my grandfather (a naturalized citizen and WW2 veteran) did a lot more than you did to ensure that you would have the freedom to be a shmuck

[Sava]

for the last damn time Flatlander... I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU!

[Ozz]

Originally posted by paiktis22
DL Ozz up your arse DL

Oh you GOT TO be able to do better than that.

Pathic, just pathic

Originally posted by paiktis22
your antihellenic views are well known by now.

You mean my anti-oathbreaker views are well known, which in this case amounts to the same thing.

Making and KEEPING agreements makes peace, making and breaking agreements makes war, war with no end
cause one side can't be trusted to keep their word.

Frankly the other points raised and argued in this thread (as horrorable as they are) pale in comparsion
to this, because this guarentees that war round 2, 3, and 4 will occur.

Making and keeping agreements is what separates civilized nations from the pariahs.

Greece EU president eh, well whatever it takes to try and keep the problem children of europe out of trouble until THEY GROW UP.

[Flatlander Fox]

Sava, I'm not talking about me either.

I'm talking about people who have never been to Serbia, but share the same views as I do about the conflicts there.

You discount them by saying "You don't know what you are talking about because you have never been there/Media-Propaganda makes you say that Slobo was a Genocidal Dictator."

Some of their views are wrong, and I have said so. But others have been shared by me, and you discard them.

[Arrian]

I don't blame you Americans from not knowing what the situation is like. You haven't experienced the things me or my family has experienced. You don't know what life is like in Serbia, and you certainly don't know the history of Serbia during and after WW2. You see pictures of Slobo on CNN and hear catch phrases like "ethnic cleansing" and "mass graves" and you formulate this stereotype about what went on in Kosovo. You are victims of propaganda and that's why I don't hold it against you.

I know that the media reports were not balanced (though I didn't see that as conspiracy, but rather a mistake due to overzealous journalists who thought they had "discovered" a 2nd holocaust or something. Dumb, but not as sinister as some claim). But assuming that all Americans (of which you are one) discussing this topic are "victims of propoganda" who took whatever CNN or the other networks said and nodded & smiled is... well, insulting our intelligence. Which is why people tend to react angrily.

I do not rely on just one source. I get my news from a mixture of news outlets around the world.

Plus, when all of this was going down, I had a pro-Serb Father (he's Brittish, served in WWII, and remembers the Serbs were on our side in that one) constantly warning me that he didn't think things were quite what they seemed to be. As it turns out, he was correct.

Anyway, don't be so quick to call other people sheep (which is basically what you were doing).

-Arrian

[Flatlander Fox]

Well, it was the media sensationalism that really made a rushed judgement happen in the first place.

The inital estimates had hundreds of thousands of refugees DEAD.

In hindsight we could have done more good for the people there by not listening to the media reports, and executing a plan that would be a bit more comprehensive, instead of so knee jerk.

[Arrian]

My impression too. Kosovo made me aware of the phenomenon I refer to as the "media feeding frenzy." Happens all the time... but rarely has such nasty effects.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Ozz
Making and keeping agreements is what separates civilized nations from the pariahs.

Then you agree that the countries who took part in the NATO bombing are pariahs since it was an obvious breach of international law?

Then you agree that turkey violating air space is a pariah?

Then you agree that Cyprus is illegally occupied since it is in breach of international law? And that err turkey is a pariah AGAIN?


Good for you!

Greece EU president eh, well whatever it takes to try and keep the problem children of europe out of trouble until THEY GROW UP.

Yeah whatever antihellene


The only thing need growing up is you d!ick in order to have the courgae to post not under your DL persona


And it's the law that Greece is the President.
And laws must be kept now right?

You are pathetic. Dont bother me.

[Bereta_Eder]

My impression too. Kosovo made me aware of the phenomenon I refer to as the "media feeding frenzy." Happens all the time... but rarely has such nasty effects.

-Arrian




Arrian unfortunately that media frenzy also happened in Greece. In reverse.