Greece faces shame of role in Serb massacre

[Arrian]

I tried searching TIME for the citation Paiktis gave, but no luck. The search function isn't very good, and even if I'd found it, I would have to pay for the article.

So, on to The Guardian. A search under "bosnia" for Febuary 15, 2001, gave me 2 articles. The first is apparently about asylum seekers, and the second is entitled "Croats defend their 'war criminals'" I read it, though, and it doesn't have anything to do with the stuff Paiktis quoted.

I did the search again, this time using "Kosovo" as the search keyword, and came up with only one article regarding Brittish Petroleum... clearly unrelated.

Checking Paiktis' sources is proving difficult.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

thats because of your propaganda
its not difficult in many countries
youre just looking in the englsih internet and i gacve you only english links.


you are confined to that.

[Arrian]

also i will not take accusations from americans or brits who have trained albanian terrorists

Ok, you've make this accusation several times now. Back it up. What is your source for believing this? I'm up for reading about it, Paiktis. Show me.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

thats because of your propaganda

WTF are you talking about? You think those publications erased the articles?!?! The Guardian in particular is a left-wing, very Anti-USA paper. Hah!

Second, yeah, I am confined to English-language sources. I'm terrible with languages - I did take Spanish courses in highschool, but I never was very good at it. Mea Culpa on the language barrier.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

Arrian the link about US/UK training albanian terrorists it is the very first post i made.

page 1.

this is proven and it is the least of what you have done


and im saying its difficult to find such articles because you look ath english net which is totally biased in this issue for the reasons i made

(not to let the crimes of NATO bombings, and that it was illegal) be widepsread.


if youre looking for consciratrists look elsewhere im not one of them,

[Bereta_Eder]

Mistakes wer emade by all.

The point is to know about them.

And the most sever mistakes were made by Albanians, Serbs and CROATS

and the games big powers played which were not mistakes, they were deliberate applications of policies.

[Arrian]

Oh yeah, the article by James Bissett you cited.

Media reports have revealed that as early as 1998, the central intelligence agency assisted by the British Special Armed Services were arming and training Kosovo Liberation Army members in Albania to foment armed rebellion in Kosovo. The KLA terrorists were sent back into Kosovo to assassinate Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and do everything possible to incite murder and chaos. The hope was that with Kosovo in flames NATO could intervene and in so doing, not only overthrow Slobodan Milosevic the Serbian strong man, but more importantly, provide the aging and increasingly irrelevant military organization with a reason for its continued existence.

My question is this: what "media reports" have "revealed that as early as 1998, the central intelligence agency assisted by the British Special Armed Services were arming and training Kosovo Liberation Army members in Albania to foment armed rebellion in Kosovo?"

I'm willing to learn, but an article that asserts such a thing and cites "media reports" without giving any factual backup is at the least questionable.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

[Quote]Mistakes wer emade by all.

The point is to know about them.[Quote]

Which I think was why OFITG started the thread: he stated surprise about the alleged Greek involvement in Kosovo - he hadn't known about it.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

its is silly to talk about involvement from greece when the crimes that have been comiited by all and by the geams of the US and the UK are so much more dire.

greece was 100% pro serb, that was no secret and onefoot knew it, being a croat.

some volunteers went to find that was also known


greece bypassing UN embargoes and offering humanitarian aid to serbia which was dying is also known and acknowledged

russian provide for oil and greek provide is also known

these are not hidden facts.

and they are nothing! to a country which was fighting off 4 and 6 big countries who all had their agenda.



YOU on the other hand dontknow anything about youre countries crimes

CROATS hail mass murderers as national heros

and greece sold medics and oils to serbia

oh well yeah we admit it


bomb us


about the other things there is no proof.
no accusations
no inquiries by the int. community
nothing

but EVEN EVEN if they happened it was helping of a country to fight!
and it was nothing compared to the support given by US and UK to albanian terrorists



justice shal be enforced to all, uniformaly and universally or there will be no justice.


thats the world and thats how the world operats

[Arrian]

but EVEN EVEN if they happened it was helping of a country to fight!

No. By your own logic, no! Helping a country to fight doesn't mean gunning down civilians, like the article OFITG posted accuses the volunteers of doing.

Why is it, Paiktis, that when presented with what appears to be the (possible) crimes of a very few Greeks who didn't represent your country, you go ballistic and begin ranting and raving about other countries' crimes?

its is silly to talk about involvement from greece when the crimes that have been comiited by all and by the geams of the US and the UK are so much more dire.

Is it? By this very same logic, Paiktis, I can blithely explain away anything the USA did during the Cold War by saying the USSR was worse. But most people don't agree with tham tactic of debate.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

I go ballistic?

I laugh my ass off that mass murderers would accuse the victims on this!

Croat army had these favorite methods

beheading and amputating other parts of the body by striking with a mechanical instrument;

neck lacerations and tears in other regions of the body inflicted by striking with mechanical instrument blades;

piercing wounds inflicted by gunshots fired from personal firearms;

stabbing wounds inflicted with sharp-pointed mechanical instruments;

gaping wounds and contusions inflicted by striking with a blunt and heavy mechanical instrument;

blast effect wounds inflicted by the force of fragmentation of explosive devices.

Deaths of those individuals were caused by: smashing of and damaging vitally important brain centres, bleeding to death effected by torn and ripped blood vessels along the existing wounds' channels, respiratory disorders, and alike.

http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/war_crimes/report6/Mrkonjic_Grad.html

the US and the UK was TRAINING terrorists to blow up Serbs and bring in NATO


And youre talking about a bunch of greeks who went to fight for serbia?

or the medecins we gave?
or the oil?


even if guns were given or info,

so ****ing what?


good thing was too, when they were faced by such powerful mosnters who killed THOUSANDS!


so please this whole thread deserves a big laugh

[Bereta_Eder]

NOW

if you could say

yes paiktis, the US and the UK and other european governments and Serbia, Croatia and the Albanians and Greece will all be taken to a court of law and judged for what they have each done

Id be the first to say
hurrray! lets go


but selective "justice?

please

[Arrian]

In other words, if the Nato countries showed up in court too, to respond to the accusations such as those made on that website (you don't claim that the site is an objective news site, do you? It's a Serbian site dedicated to their side of the story. That doesn't mean it's all made up - it means it's only part of the picture), you would be happy to rationally discuss the possible involvement of Greeks?

I too would say "let's go." Unfortunately, I'm not capable of bringing that to pass, except for supporting in my own little way (voting) the US joining the ICC.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Id be the first to say
hurrray! lets go

But until then you'll act like a moron just like now, right?

[Ozz]

Originally posted by paiktis22
greece bypassing UN embargo

and greece sold medics and oils to serbia

oh well yeah we admit it

The larger part of this tragic scene is played by those outside the area of conflict. By breaking the UN embrago you prove to the world

1. Greece breaks word to UN
2. Greece breaks word to NATO

Greece is a pariah.