Is Offensive War Ever Justified?

[SlowwHand]

I should have known better.

[Demerzel]

War has always been mass murder wrote legit.

Imperialism was all about who you could beat up to gain what you wanted. War was just an extension of diplomacy in those days. Now attacking other countries for gain is most likely to have you labelled the international pariah and if you took a country with oil, you'll have the USA after you.

[Arrian]

Northern states were indigenous states, while the Southern ones were created by and propped up by outsiders.

On please. Che, you have got to be joking. The North wasn't "propped up by outsiders?" Nawwwww, Uncle Joe didn't have anything to do with it.

Edit: North Korea. I think you've got a point about Vietnam.

-Arrian

[DaShi]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Me thinks you misunderstood me. I'm saying that in both cases, the war waged by the North against the South was justified, as the Northern states were indigenous states, while the Southern ones were created by and propped up by outsiders. Of course, after more than fifty years, today the DPRK would be unjustified in trying to overthrown the RoK, especially as the RoK has finally became semi-democratic.

Is Taiwan justified in attacking China?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Arrian
On please. Che, you have got to be joking. North [Korea] wasn't "propped up by outsiders?" Nawwwww, Uncle Joe didn't have anything to do with it.

Yes it was, but only after a proto-state had already been established throughout the entire country. The DPRK is the successor state to the proto-state. In the the US occupied zone, the proto-state was abolished and then massacred. A new state was created out of fascists and Japanese collaborators. Stalin supported and deformed the original state in Korea, which became the DPRK. If Korea had been left alone by outsiders, the whole country would have been the DPRK.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DaShi
Is Taiwan justified in attacking China?

In 1949, yes. In 2003, no.

[DaShi]

oh.

[Arrian]

As I undestand it, Che, the proto-state was in the middle of a civil war when Soviet troops marched in from the north, and then US troops marched in to the South.

I agree that Korea would have been better off without outside meddling (that includes 1910-1945 Japanese colonization of course). However, that is unfortunately what happened - and I submit to you that SK is a much better place than NK, and that speaks volumes (and that is DESPITE the nasty military government they had in SK for decades).

-Arrian

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Asher
When a nation commences in ethnic cleansing, an aggressive, offensive war is certainly justified by the international community.
*whacks the mole*

That is a "Police Action" not a offensive war.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by DaShi
oh.

Before you bum out too severely, remember Che is giving his personal wannabe communist opinion.
It's not necessarily correct.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Before you bum out too severely, remember Che is giving his personal wannabe communist opinion.
It's not necessarily correct.

Yes it is.

[SlowwHand]

While you're here, get those boots yet ?

[Tripledoc]

If attacking a certain economic entity, because that country refuses to produce enough to satisfy structural weaknesses in the other agressor economy - or if there is simply not enough money funds to pay for resources from external sources, then the expansion of territory and taxbase is justified on short to midterm economic terms. In the long term the ignored structural weakness will only be excerbated and must be met by future expansion. However, I don't think a strategic blitzkrieg economy can fully function under the present circumstances.

[Garth Vader]

I find it hard to picture you standing flat-footed while someone flattens your nose, David.
Sometimes the inevitable, is inevitable.
You strike back, whether your nose is mush or not.


He is asking if it's alright to flatten that nose first, if guy you are flattening is only talking trash about you, but not actually doing any harm to you.

[SlowwHand]

And Iraq is not just talking. They're just not doing, what they were told to do to end the Gulf War, as I said.

Look at WWII, as another example.
Japan was to not have a military. They accepted the terms and had no military.
Iraq accepted terms, and promptly renigged.