North Or South Korea: Which is Worse?

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

We really need a Speer or a Fez on our team to even things out

You and the Comrade are the equal of Speer and Fez, I assure you. Don't sell yourself short.

Heh, maybe so... I was the absolute counterpart of Fez in some political views test a while ago His Yin so to speak.

[Drake Tungsten]

Hey, I´m not trolling, I´m just speaking my mind. I can´t help if some people think my beliefs are offensive.

That sounds like something Fez would say...

[Zoid]

Damn this slow internet connection. I realised that as I read it and edited it. Not fast enough apparently...

[Pekka]

Well.. I'm not that surprised.. that there are demonstratitons and some of them even attacks soldiers. I see no problem US leaving South Korea.. sure it might get invaded, but then again it might not. Who cares, if that's what they want.. we shouldn't blame them for wanting foreign soldiers to leave. Then again if the goverment wants them, then they should stay. Protests should be targetted on the goverment, not soldiers. Soldiers will leave, when goverment wants them to leave, however they won't leave if they attack soldiers who can't do anything about it. Useless..

I wouldn't blame them wanting the US soldiers out.. that's understandable. But attacks against soldiers shouldn't be tolerated.

[Capt Dizle]

America has bases all over the world. It has been that way since WWII eliminated the UK as the dominant world power and entrenched the US and the Soviet Union as opposing poles of ideology and influence.

Eventually and inevitably the Soviet Union collapsed because the communist economic model is flawed.

American military capability is the energy than stabilizes the world and the various military bases is the framework upon which that stability is stretched.

In other words, we aren't giving bases up just because some kids are tossing eggs.

Being a capitalist society our future depends on the long-term development of markets for our goods and services. We can't just import.

Conclusion: American military bases will remain in Korea to protect American strategic interests (long-term development of markets).

The South Koreans really don't have much to say about it.

[Ned]

Re: Re: Re: Re: North Or South Korea: Which is Worse?

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Go ahead; there´s not much we export to the United States, so you can boycott our goods all day. We prefer trading with the civilized world anyway.

OK, lets impose an oil embargo on Austria.

[Ned]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
America has bases all over the world. It has been that way since WWII eliminated the UK as the dominant world power and entrenched the US and the Soviet Union as opposing poles of ideology and influence.

Eventually and inevitably the Soviet Union collapsed because the communist economic model is flawed.

American military capability is the energy than stabilizes the world and the various military bases is the framework upon which that stability is stretched.

In other words, we aren't giving bases up just because some kids are tossing eggs.

Being a capitalist society our future depends on the long-term development of markets for our goods and services. We can't just import.

Conclusion: American military bases will remain in Korea to protect American strategic interests (long-term development of markets).

The South Koreans really don't have much to say about it.

Assume for the moment that NK attacked the South. Are you willing to spend another 50,000 American lives so that the South Koreans can continue to knife our soldiers in Seoul, deny Americans seating in restaurants, and yell Yankee go home?

This is becoming too much like Vietnam. The problem with Vietnam is that we took over that war - so much so that the people of Vietnam began to hate us. We no longer had anything to fight for because our own allies wanted to kill us.

There is a time to arrive, a time to stay and a time to leave.

The time to leave has arrived in Korea.

[Capt Dizle]

Come on Ned. Knee jerk reaction.

We are not interested in gratitude. We are interested in stability and commerce.

[Ned]

Jimmytrick, are you willing to spend another 50,000 American lives defending South Korea when it can defend itself? They are not facing China or Russia. They are facing NK, a basket case economically. NK could never afford to keep up with SK in terms of quality of military hardware. To the extent that China or others supplied state of the art arms to NK, we could do the same to SK.

[Zoid]

Thank you for putting it so bluntly, jt. You´re not hiding behind crap like keeping the peace and good will unto all men and all that.

Don´t get me wrong you´re still a evil capitalist bastard. But at least you´re a honest evil capitalist bastard

[chequita guevara]

Actually, the Koreans are right, the US did split the country in two, but not in 1950. It was 1945 when US troops landed, overthrew the revolutionary government that had just replaced the Japanese, and put fascists and Japanese collaborators in power in the South. The RoK may be better off today for it, but they had to suffer through a murderous dictatorship which butchered hundreds of thousands of South Koreans.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, the Koreans are right, the US did split the country in two, but not in 1950. It was 1945 when US troops landed, overthrew the revolutionary government that had just replaced the Japanese, and put fascists and Japanese collaborators in power in the South. The RoK may be better off today for it, but they had to suffer through a murderous dictatorship which butchered hundreds of thousands of South Koreans.

See, Calc II. What did I tell you.

[Seeker]

Connor:

I have to agree completely that they've blown everything out of proportion to sell papers.

I disagree with the article that the students position is based on 'ignorance'.

If SK's sovereignty is an illusion based on US sufferance, than it is a valid opinion. The article confuses disagreement and a opposed ideological position for ignorance of history. Many SKs are quite leftist here due to the savage repression of the student movement by the army in the 70s and 80s.

Sidebar:Joong Ang ran an article about the US forces here, air and ground, and I was struck that they seemed so relatively old.

M1 tanks, not very much artillery, etc.

It looks an awful lot like a token force, here to symbolize a solidarity which doesn't exist anymore.

There are now more flights to China from SK than America, and China is now the number one destination of exports for the SK economy. There are even articles wondering if it is time for China to 'resume its traditional role' with SK, since it is the New China.

[cavebear]

Which is worse? Are you joking? North Korea is a country of starving civilians run by a bunch of militaristic psychopaths and South Korea is a country of relatively well-off people with an economy, food, and actually-elected leaders.

This is a trick question, right?

[Drake Tungsten]

There are even articles wondering if it is time for China to 'resume its traditional role' with SK, since it is the New China.

South Korea wants to be a Chinese puppet again? Asians baffle me some times...