Why the US has to be and should be "imperialist"

[DaShi]

*Ahem* Finland.

[Stefu]

Yes. Finland.

What?

[DinoDoc]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why the US has to be and should be "imperialist"

Originally posted by Trifna
Not at the price US wants it!!

Considering the fact that annexing the country is out of the question, we are still going to have to pay market price for the oil given Iraq's membership in OPEC regardless of what you think that we won't.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Stefu
Yes. Finland.

What?

Superior society!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DaShi
Superior society!

Russian Backwater!

[DaShi]

Nonsense! Finland wules!

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Why the US has to be and should be "imperialist"

Originally posted by Albert Speer
China (as well as nearly every country in the world) is an ethnic state... a Chinese empire would undoubtedly oppress the non-Chinese and base their entire nation on racialism.

Quick, AS, take your foot out from your mouth.

Your assertion about China is not borne out by either history or existing conditions.

Originally posted by Albert Speer
the US is also on a higher level of nation as the US is an idealogical nation

Are you serious? Unless you meant "self-interest" instead of "democracy," "equality" or "human rights," I can't see how you could say that with a straight face.

[Demerzel]

As observed above, how can the USA be the most socially advanced country in the world if your country had racial segregation until 30 years or so ago? When black Americans had no rights and risked being attacked or killed in the deep south then you can't be advanced at all.

Plus stealing the land of the Native Americans and forcing them to live on poor or waste land isn't very advanced.

Nothing against the Americans per se in this post but Albert Speer doesn't half come up with some crap in his trolls which need to be cut down.

The idea of America exporting even more of its culture world wide is quite scary, bad enough having MaccyDs everywhere. argh.

[DaShi]

Um. . .we're in the year 2003.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DaShi
Um. . .we're in the year 2003.

Why does no one tell me these things?!?!

[DaShi]

Didn't you get the memo?

[Pekka]

Someone has serious problems mentally?
What is this? What is the purpose of this thread?
And most of all, is this a sick joke?

First of all, I don't personally care WHO the imperialist is, if someone pushes around another country, it's not cool, simple as that. No matter if it's the chinese, russians or americans. Soverignity should not be endangered by imperialism. Coming from smaller country, I don't care who the invader is, and I think the rest of us will agree. Enemy is enemy, simple as that, and no one is able to push us around like a rag doll without a fight, and then it's not matter of nationality of the other country.
China hasn't been very imperialist last time I saw news, so I don't see what's the point?

And calling us racial nations is crap, that's racist comment. Sure we don't have so much mixed nations as the US has, so what? How the hell does that make us and other countries LESS civilized? How do you measure socially advanced nations? By the number of their immigrants? Hah! Calling yourself superior is not backed up by any facts, you can measure however you want to, but if that's all you come up with.. it's sad attempt.
I'd say this is a troll, but you seem to be serious about it, so I can only feel sorry for you.

[red_jon]

America is more certainly not the most socially progressive nation.

For a start, the entire country varies considerably in its values and politics, so stating that it is the most advanced society is not taking into account the differences within the country itself.

Do the Texans and Nebraskans live in the same society as the New Yorkers and Californians?

Secondly, race is not the only criteria in which you can measure how advanced a society is (though the point has been made that the US does not have the highest or most integrated ethnic minority population).

What about homosexual rights? The United States is way behind Europe in a number of states (in which male-male sex is completely illegal).
What about women's rights? Women in the US do not earn as much as men (though we have the same problem in Britain).

Even China is more progressive than the US in SOME areas (Though the US has better rights overall). China's age of consent is equal for gay and straight people.


So is the US the most socially advanced nation? No. But would I rather be ruled by the US than China? Well, yeah.


Just my 2 penneth.

[LDiCesare]

The USA are much better imperialists than anyone else out there. Look at other imperialist nations of the 19th-20th century:
France lost all its empire, and made such a mess of Vietnam (the US had to step in after them) and Algeria (look at how they are killing one another there) that we are clearly bad at colonialism.
England has a better record, but not that much. They were quite good in some parts (managed to make good places out of a desert like Australia and an iceberg like Canada), but pitiful in other places (look at Israel - hardly peaceful thanks to the Brits, plus they couldn't even keep the US).
Japan: Talk about Japan to a Korean...

No, the US are the best imperialists around. In their expansion in the 19th century, they managed to allow all those European immigrants to come to their country, particularly the anglo-saxon protestants, and expand peacefully. Nowadays, the native americans are mostly assimilated, and they are sure happy to be americans (all the survivors are, of course, citizens of the USA, and are not discriminated against). Mexicans are also so very happy to live in the US, f.e. in Tejas or California, which have never been Mexican either, that they must sometimes be sent out of the states, as they entered illegally. Their wanting to go to the U.S., and their being treated with no discrimination either, proves that U.S. imperialism is a good thing.

Conclusion: French-invaded populations have a hard time recovering. England-invaded population spend their time fighting one another. American-invaded population are either dead, or have been chased from their lands. The U.S.A. are sure the best imperialists to have around.

[Pekka]

Look at the paper. It's not 19th century. Besides, US is not very imperialistic now. And they shoudln't start being one.