Whats the difference between creation and evolution?

[Jack_www]

I see many in here dont understand what I was trying to say. Does anyone understand what I posted?

[ranskaldan]

Why don't you explain, then?

[Jack_www]

First off in my post I was not trying to prove God exists!
Second I said that if God existed that you can prove it in a simular way to proving a person exists.
Thrid I said that I know that many people here would never accept the Bible as proof that God exists.
That was main points of my post.

[ranskaldan]

I agree with all three.

So what are your opinions?

[Boris Godunov]

I don't see how you could expect to prove the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient being in the same manner in which one proves a person exists...

[Jack_www]

Well God is a person. Just not a human, but still a person. And a few posts back allready stated by beliefs, but I do believe that God exists.

[ranskaldan]

You can, IF "God" is not omnipotent and omniscient - in other words, if God is measurable.

That would apply to Jupiter, Shiva, Quezacoatl (sp), etc.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Jack_www
Well God is a person. Just not a human, but still a person. And a few posts back allready stated by beliefs, but I do believe that God exists.

OK.
Justify.

[Jack_www]

Well dont have time now, but will when I get home.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by ranskaldan
You can, IF "God" is not omnipotent and omniscient - in other words, if God is measurable.

That would apply to Jupiter, Shiva, Quezacoatl (sp), etc.

That would only leave us with extremely powerful, non-omnipotent beings called "gods," but leave unanswered the question of there being an omnipotent "God."

Okay, Jack--how would you prove that an omnipotent, omniscient person that is invisible to us and doesn't obviously manifest himself exists?

[Saint Marcus]

I don't see how you could expect to prove the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient being in the same manner in which one proves a person exists...

you can't prove either.

You can't prove that anything exists outside your own mind even. Any argument you'll try to reason your way out of it will fail.

[Saint Marcus]

Okay, Jack--how would you prove that an omnipotent, omniscient person that is invisible to us and doesn't obviously manifest himself exists?

You can't.

Believe in God is on the same page as anything related to ethics. You believe some things are right, and some things are wrong, but you can't prove either.

[problem_child]

I disagree, belief in god must be like belief in the big bang, either the existance of a god is a fact- or it is not, the univers was not created by a belief.

Personally, I reckon humanity created god, that's why he's such a weak case.

[Boris Godunov]

Marcus, I know the answers, I'm asking Jack for his rationale.

[problem_child]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


you can't prove either.

You can't prove that anything exists outside your own mind even. Any argument you'll try to reason your way out of it will fail.

In that case, the question of 'Does god exist' is the wrong question, the real question is 'does anything else exist at all, do I exist myself?'