A.I. (The Movie)

[korn469]

Berzerker

you are exactly right, the part that pissed me off was that the water would have receeded and uncovered David, and were't they chasing after him? why wouldn't some kind of scuba salvage team went after him?

the movie sucked...

you cannot truly love a person who doesn't love you back, david's mom didn't love him, and no matter how hard he tried, it was only an infatuation, and not true love he felt for her, his love was artificial just like him, she rejected him, and he wasn't pure, he was evil, he didn't grow, he was obsolete, he couldn't grow, he couldn't get over his ****ty childhood

he didn't deserve to survive they should have wasted him much earlier on

this movie was just all around bad

[Dr Strangelove]

So why did it suck? At the end the head future robot essentially explains the basic premise of the whole movie. I admit the idea that they could only bring the woman back for a day was a bit weak, but I've seen weaker.

[DanS]

" I still don't interpret the ending as David being euthanized."

The last time I watched it, I also didn't interpret it that way.

[korn469]

why did they just reprogram him? make him love somebody else, or make him human and give him room for growth? all of the characters in the entire movie were completely flat and one demensional, there wasn't any real difference between the humans and the mecha, and there weren't any really interesting characters in the movie, it was all about self dellusion, there isn't happy endings, it was simply just a weak movie in my opinion

[monolith94]

You can't simply reprogram your problems away… talk abut an easy ending.
This WAS a hard, hard, difficult ending for people to take: because on the surface it is disguised as a "feel good" ending but as has been stated earlier in the thread, there are several problems concerning the very nature of David and his future that Spielberg lets us resolve on our own.

"The advanced mecha are obviously curious about their origins, as we are about our own."
Interesting. In this sense, then, is the last part of the movie sort of an "Encino Man" of the future…

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by korn469
why did they just reprogram him? make him love somebody else, or make him human and give him room for growth? all of the characters in the entire movie were completely flat and one demensional, there wasn't any real difference between the humans and the mecha, and there weren't any really interesting characters in the movie, it was all about self dellusion, there isn't happy endings, it was simply just a weak movie in my opinion

I think the movie was ok, even good at some point but the ending killed it. I watched it with my moviefreak friend in theatre, and nowadays we prefer to Spielberg as the cake-man, when he makes a movie we expect to see some serious cake making at end of the movie (Ok fine, think he does well what he does most of the times but ).

why did they just reprogram him? make him love somebody else, or make him human and give him room for growth

With things like these I allways give the makers of sci-fi a benefit of a doubt, I mean, we can't know about the future. Also, in the AI movie future, it would only be logical if the consumer goods (mechas) would be like microchips or light bolts, you do not fix it, you buy a new one... The treatment of the mechas and the massive amount of old mechas was an example of this. Of course if they were to sell mechas in current or future world, there would be (if they are so attachable) a guarantee of repair or something, for a fee of course... But benefit of a doubt...

Btw, again my bad memory... Did they address this in the movie? Example: Mom: Could we just reprogram him? Dad: No, it's too expensive and we don't have the money for that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

you cannot truly love a person who doesn't love you back, david's mom didn't love him, and no matter how hard he tried, it was only an infatuation, and not true love he felt for her, his love was artificial just like him, she rejected him, and he wasn't pure, he was evil, he didn't grow, he was obsolete, he couldn't grow, he couldn't get over his ****ty childhood

Did you even watch the movie?



Firstly, you can love someone who does not love you back. A guy who's been dumped can love someone who does not love you. And she DID love him, but had to let him go. And since when was he evil?

[monolith94]

"he didn't grow, he was obsolete, he couldn't grow, he couldn't get over his ****ty childhood"
He wasn't a human, and yet you deal with him on human terms…
If this isn't a success on the movie's part I don't know WHAT is!

[Berzerker]

Imran - as Korn pointed out, an ice age causes sea levels to drop which would have exposed his location. Then, as the ice sheet advances, it would have bulldozed what was left of the city along with David, the ship, and the Blue fairy into a terminal morraine, you know, like Cape Cod, a terminal morraine formed by the last ice sheet to cover New England. The entire area would have been pulverised as if a nuke hit it, not encapsulated in ice. The only explanation would be the coastal waters freezing in place, but even that wouldn't work because the ice sheets would still have plowed right through the entire region.

Oh yeah, sure, robots/machines build things today, but they are programmed to build them and what they build is not leaps and bounds beyond the technology used to build the robots themselves. There was no mention in the film of mecha that were actually programmed to think and design what would become the advanced mecha we saw at the end. According to the advanced mecha, they were created after humans disappeared, so that means the more primitive mecha had to design them. I guess the movie would get bogged down explaining how primitive mecha could have created the much more advanced ones and other little questions. Btw, congrats on your weekly picks, you saved Team Rush from sucking eggs.

[Berzerker]

He wasn't a human, and yet you deal with him on human terms…

Lol, someone even described the flesh fair as inhumane - THEY WERE ROBOTS!

[Ramo]

I have to agree with the consensus - excellent movie, painfully bad ending.

BTW, I heard that AI was loosely based on a book from the Robot series by Asimov. Is this true?

[korn469]

Imran

i watched the movie on the first night it came out, and i left the theater wanting my 6.50 back, one of the only other movies i wanted a refund to was disturbing behavior but the truly sad thing about that movie was i saw it at the cheap theater on 50 cent night

i watched this movie and absolutely hated it

first thing is that you have a global environmental catastrophy, and instead of inventing a garden of eden creation kit from fallout 2 or anything even close to useful, they create robotic kids for what is left of the golden billion, really is there a large market for this? how many parents would really lose children to illness or accident at that point of history? how much is the factory going to cost? it seems that R&D would have been quite high, and the ROI would have been quite low

then a couple of other background points, all of the mecha's would of had some type of lowjack device on them making them wandering at all virtually impossible, that along with some kind of asimov chip, or compliance chip, no renagade or runaway mecha...as far as i remember, david was the most advanced mecha to date, and yet david was a toy, not a person, pinnoccio might have been wooden, but he had a heart, he went through growing pains, and he made sacrifices that proved his love, david never came close to that...and there would have been some kind of recycling program if the world really was in such dire straights, and at the end of the movie the water would have receeded once the iceage started coming, and what did humanity die from? i'm sure if they can build robot kids, they could build igloos

as far as characters go, the ones i truly remember are david, his mom, the professor and jude law's character

david is programmed to love the first person he sees, or the first person who says the magic word or whatever, then after that he has no choice, he always have to love that person...which is stupid, their should be a way to reprogram him, or to reboot him, so if his owners die in a car wreck they could refurbish him...that isn't love that is obsession
i think that true love is a series of choices, if a person doesn't have a choice then it's not love...the movie's tagline is bs, his love isn't real, it is as artificial as potted meat...david couldn't change, he had no reason to love his mom, the only reason he loved her was because of his unchangable program, and all she did was throw him away, she had a choice and she chose to reject him
what growth did david experience as a character? he was a toy from begining to end

also, why was the oracle or whatever that mr. wizard ask questions to whatchamacallit thing gave worse answers to questions than a google search? it seems that if a society could build porn bots, and kid replacements that they could have a really good search engine that could have given him a good answer

i don't remember what point jude law's character really had in the movie

the mom and the professor just seemed shallow and stupid

also before he crashed into the water wasn't there people chasing after him? why didn't they go recover him and find out what the hell went wrong with david's character...the company building the david's certainly wasn't practicing any kind of quality control

i think that the movie was well done in its technical aspects, but it was a depressing, long, draggy, boring, and pointless story that didn't offer any real lessons to take from it

it wasn't ironic, it wasn't tragic, it wasn't heart wrenching...it was simply a yawner, kubrick and spielberg have both done better movies

[BustaMike]

I admit the idea that they could only bring the woman back for a day was a bit weak, but I've seen weaker.

Just because there are things that are worse (though not too many) doesn't excuse anything about this movie.

The movie was so boring that all I could think about was David finally cracking from all the **** he's had to endure. But of course that's not possible because he's a robot. If all robots are as stupid as that little kid, I think the flesh fair in that movie is a good thing.

The movie takes love and trivializes it. He loves only because he was programmed to. There's no substance behind it, no meaning to it and yet the movie makes him out to be this wonderful little creature who we all can learn from.

Regardless of that fact, the rest of the movie is boring anyway. Blue fairy and that retarded Mr. Knowitall guy are so freakin' stupid it's unbearable. The mom is just plain annoying and I find it very hard to believe how quickly she just decides she loves David. He's a stupid robot.

I liked the Teddy bear. If I was writing the movie, David would have finally cracked, reprogrammed Teddy, and the bear would wander around clumsily with a knife. That would make a good movie, or at least one that would have had a few laughs and been a little interesting.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Korn, and the rest, you went in and expected ??? another sci-fi thriller or what?

Obviously you did not get what you were looking for as your expectations were quite high so the dissapintment was that greater.

Why I found this movie to be excellent is it view on life, and our approach to life. Well that might be personal perception but aferall this movie was made to show certain aspects of ourselves so we can benefit from little introspection.

For me... I feel quite strongly that we live in a kind of mechanical society today. Like this small example here http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=69842 . All the "mass production" jobs, the rhytm that society pressures on us, if we want to be its part, and the way that we are ultimatly disposed of, once our "usability as a producer" is over, the way you create success " by being like a machine" is quite obvioius to me, and I resent it quite. The film for me at least showed that there is a peace of that David boy in all of us, however we are unlike him, and do not persuade our goal so strongly as he did. The movie suggested me.. go for it, and even if you don't find it now, you might find it by the end of time, your time.

Ok all this is glorification, but isn't life a travel, and a search... however goals that this society imposes on us are quite a bit different what we really are looking for, we are lost, so much that we often think what they give us is what we are looking for, but we are still unhappy, and not settled, or realise one day:

And you may ask yourself
What is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?

- it is not from the film

However that is usually asked when you are "used goods" perhaps when it is too late, and you are too old for it all.

Anyway... I found the film refreshing in that bit, next... Jude Law, different type of mecha ( well could remind you of some people around you ), and what is he looking for? Does the "whatever was the name of that -know it all- theathre" know it all really? Give me $5 and I'll tell you . The bear- well that guy is special, and wasn't in there accidentaly, and is not there to amuse either, he has actually seen David for what David was, and choose to stay with him. He recognized David. The humans have only seen him as a "mecha" albeit "the best one". It took a "toy bear" to see what was trully exceptional about the boy. Doesn't that remind you of our "categorisation of the people around us" ...what does it take for us to recognise value in someone else? True value of someone else, not like a customer, or potential "pleasure giver"?

Anyway... just a few there was more when I was watching... and the ending? Could there have been another one? Well if noone found David... that would be a sad story... as many lives finish today in the same way, however I doubt there is many looking for fulfillment as hard as David did.
This is for a few that try... and he found it, it might have taken 2000 years but at the end he did find it, his mum loved him, and was there just for him - which is not really the point. The point is - that was enough - not only that it happened but that was enough for David. To have peace in your hart and mind - that can happen to, but are you looking for it? (did I mention that I think there is a peace of David in everyone of us, - i think it can be enough for you too, just my impression). The point is that this is a happy ending. And if your life finsihes as well as Davids I think you have done well.

Great film, well I have no idea if Kubrick (or Spielberg for that matter) intended me to see the film this way... however I did, and it was great. I have seen it only once, and it was a while ago... but i guess you can tell it made an impression .

[TheStinger]

I liked the film, I thought the ending was Speiberg does Kubrick and was good.

I thought the film has a love is eternal even if we are not message.

Or maybe it was just about a stupid robot
who should have been happy he wasn't serving food and drinks to his human masters.