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  • #76
    Originally posted by Fez
    Batasuna? Goodbye... Banned for supporting violence.
    Not yet, my friend

    There is a new law that allow that attonerys sues against a party that supports violence. And the general attonery of the country has sued against Batasuna on Supreme Court, but the jugdes has not take any decision yet.

    And Garzon has opened a process against Batasuna for providing places where ETA can join and store his weapons. He has ordered a "halt" on Batasuna activites for five years.

    So, Batasuna has two sues and is halted, but not banned yet

    Edit: Well, if you ask for a halt on this subject, I will post no more about it, but I'm not going to delete this post. I wrote it before reading your post about remain on-topic...
    Last edited by yaroslav; December 14, 2002, 21:33.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by yaroslav


      Not yet, my friend

      There is a new law that allow that attonerys sues against a party that supports violence. And the general attonery of the country has sued against Batasuna on Supreme Court, but the jugdes has not take any decision yet.

      And Garzon has openen a process against Batasuna for providing places where ETA can join and store his weapons. He has ordered a "halt" on Batasuna activites for five years.

      So, Batasuna has two sues and is halted, but not banned yet
      Damned Media for reporting things wrong. I thought the party was banned... I even thought I saw police raiding offices of the party?

      Oh it was a halt that happened.

      Hopefully it will be banned. I better follow these things more closely.

      Anyways... back to the topic...
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #78
        We are following the route of Sodom and Gomorrah
        Periodista : A proposito del escudo de la fe, Elisa, a mí me sorprendía Reutemann diciendo que estaba dispuesto a enfrentarse con el mismísimo demonio (Menem) y después terminó bajándose de la candidatura. Ahí parece que fuera ganando el demonio.

        Elisa Carrio: No, porque si usted lee bien el Génesis dice que la mujer pisará la serpiente.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Plan Austral
          We are following the route of Sodom and Gomorrah
          Do you speak for the rest of your people? Because apparently if your people think the same way you do this progress is shortlived and will be backtracked after elections occur.

          Why do you feel so much bitterness towards gays?
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #80
            You are partly right. The people in Buenos Aires never supported this progress infact are staunchly against it. That is actually quite unfornate.
            You should listen to the local radios more often, most people are in favour of it or indifferent who were asked at random on the street.

            Well for one being gay is not being "macho" according to most latin americans. And not being "macho" is a bad thing.
            This is a country where most men greet each other with a kiss or a hug in casual situations man...

            Why do you feel so much bitterness towards gays?
            Because you're one, now they all deserve to be burned. Sorry Boris and redjon, it's nothing personal against you specifically.

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            • #81
              I have nothing against gays, I just dont want to be destroyed by a giant fireball sent by God to punish and devastate Buenos Aires.
              Periodista : A proposito del escudo de la fe, Elisa, a mí me sorprendía Reutemann diciendo que estaba dispuesto a enfrentarse con el mismísimo demonio (Menem) y después terminó bajándose de la candidatura. Ahí parece que fuera ganando el demonio.

              Elisa Carrio: No, porque si usted lee bien el Génesis dice que la mujer pisará la serpiente.

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              • #82

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                • #83
                  Why they are a crap:

                  -PRESIDENCY-

                  -Aznar is simply stupid. Laughs like a donkey. Always angry faced, is like a clown or the typical one that want capt all the attention, like a new-rich. Always is a bad impression.

                  -AUTONOMIES-

                  -An idea that the fact that 28% of population doesn't speak spanish is only because they're a poor amount of idiots. Curiously they produce more than 65% of the country money...

                  -A "only the ones that are mines" vision, this focused the small no-Madrid inversions in autonomies like Valencian Country and Galicia (and still insuficient).

                  -Demonization of the PNB (basque nationalist party), this create an impossible governability in an entire autonomic territory. Note that PNB won the elections after a rude campaign over them.

                  -DIPLOMACY-

                  - They have an infantil vision of the world: Good and Bad.

                  -They made some antinatural alliances (USA, Great Britain) and create tension in areas that started to be naturally assimilated (Gibraltar).

                  -They put Spain UE position as an infiltrated more than a member, when was Germany the main protector and inversor in Spain, now is the great enemy.

                  -Arabs probably doesn't ignore us, this is bad because the GREAT IDEA OF SPAIN was STAY NEUTRAL, this benefied it to become a "EVERYBODY IS INVITED" ideal country. We have an important down in arabian inversions (and they are very rich, bud!)

                  -ECONOMY-

                  -Unemployement fall to 9% yes, but the main problem is the precarity of these jobs. We have by far the biggest rate of unestable employment of the UE (and is by far larger that the tourism variations create). What will happen in an economical crisis?

                  -PIB is related to the privatization of large monopolies like Telefonica, when they privatized these industries they put a friend in top of the firm, these movement of capital increased the money in private hands, but the capital is all concentrated in one hands.

                  -Latinoamerica expoliation is also a *GREAT IDEA* of PP proposal to "expande the borders industry", this caused to control monopolies in this countries, but without the idea to avoid the economical problems that NOW we are having. Look Argentina, Argentina Airlines AND specially Repsol-YPF.

                  -The centralist vision of statal inversions is destroying the small capitols of autonomic territories in exception of Barcelona (this city is 4 millions and a half, Madrid is 5, but Barcelona-Catalonia generates twice the money of the Capitol). This situation forced the economy to stay in a bi-polar city vision than a multipolar (the second is more expensive, yes, but the idea is that in a future these cities are as rich as the others, and the people doesn't have to migrate out of their territory, also generates more money than just two cities, and this products more socialand economical benefits).

                  -Industrial growth: UE subvension + Foreign inversion (repeat: the good & cheap one in the UE group). I want see what happens with POLAND and the other inside .

                  - GDP s greater, but by far less divided. Less people es by far more rich than the medium. Destruction of middle class of small and medium firms. (let's to see what happens with the elimination of the commerce tax to them).

                  -ECOLOGY-

                  - Simply: "Prestige".

                  - A total fault of innovation in new energy research, the biggest inversions in them are made by autonomical governs!!

                  - Total impunity in ecological errors (in Valencian Country the rivers are sewers).

                  - Aznalcollar: Chronical of the biggest deltaic natural park in UE destruction (But I have to say that PSOE is a big responsable here too).

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                  There are thousands of reasons, but these are some of them. Don't reply this post, I leave the thread (I don't like this kind of bad karma in my life )
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Plan Austral
                    I have nothing against gays, I just dont want to be destroyed by a giant fireball sent by God to punish and devastate Buenos Aires.
                    Well... I am an existentialist living in a Catholic country... so if there were a fireball I would say it probably come from the sun.

                    Aww poor Awrence, you still hate me for what I did to you on the Frontier?
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by XarXo
                      Why they are a crap:

                      ***bull**** cut out***

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                      There are thousands of reasons, but these are some of them. Don't reply this post, I leave the thread (I don't like this kind of bad karma in my life )
                      All of which are incorrect. I told you not to post in this thread you ignorant kid. Take this back on topic or leave.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #86
                        Excuse me sir.

                        Excuse me Fez, but I cannot allow you to say so many silly things.

                        First of all, thank PP for 13 % of unemployment.

                        Of course, it is very low now, ... better, it WAS very low some time before, but let me tell you a thing, do you know what kind of jobs were made since then?.

                        Temporary jobs man, with low wages.

                        Let me show you a thing, 800.000 people are living with a second mortgage, thank you PP.

                        We have an enormous oil band in the northern coast, thank to your dear PP, they are liers, thiefs, and ... ouf!, whatever.

                        Thank PP for the rising prices, for the labour reforms, bla, bla, bla.

                        Thank PP for those houses which are impossible to afford. Because it is imposible for a man to buy a house in Spain, Fez.

                        Thank PP for supporting George Bush in his irrational fight against Saddam, that is what we need an irrational war.

                        Tell me Fez, do you believe in everything you are told about PP?

                        Do you now what happened with the Euro coming?

                        Do you now about The Prestige sinking?.

                        Oh please, don't be a fool.
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                        • #87
                          BTW: Spain itself is a crap.
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                          • #88
                            Okay. You did it.

                            Because of irresponsible people here, attempts to keep this thread on topic have failed.

                            As the thread starter I have now pushed to have this thread closed.

                            Also Kramsib (I don't know who you are, or what you stand for... apparently the PSOE) here is something to look at:

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                            Thanks for the PP making Spain have prosperity, and lowering unemployment to 8.99%. And BTW, George Bush is not fighting terrorism illogically.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by XarXo
                              BTW: Spain itself is a crap.
                              Xarxo, I respect that you don't consider yourself as a Spaniard. But, please don't say that Spain is a crap, Ok?

                              In fact, you are the king of 'I agree' not the king ' .. is a crap'

                              And BTW, I think that your post about Spain has some faults, can I reply to that?
                              Trying to rehabilitateh and contribuing again to the civ-community

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                              • #90
                                On the request of the topic starter: I want this thread locked. Apparently it has gone off topic.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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