Hard Core Conservatives Defecting From Bush?

[Aeson]

But homosexuals would still have to be classified as defective nonetheless because they do not normally reproduce.

Humans have many functions other than reproduction. If you apply the 'not reproducing is defective' argument, do it fairly... everyone who is not currently pregnant or impregnating someone else is defective.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I told you Bush wasn't a conservative.

[Jules]

Originally posted by DetroitDave
Except this time we're being asked to tolerate restrictions on civil liberties for an indefinite period of time.

I think this gets exactly to the point. Administration allies like William Bennett have gone on the cable news networks and bragged about how this war could last a generation or more. These restrictions could never be removed as long as people are convinced that terrorism is still a threat.

[Guynemer]

Hmmm...

Conservatives defecting from Bush AND from Lott? Who does that leave? Arlen Specter?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I thought Specter was considered a moderate

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I thought Specter was considered a moderate

Depends on where you are from. To someone from Ann Arbor he may appear to be akin to Genghis Khan.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Sava

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[Sava]

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[Kepler]

> Except this time we're being asked to tolerate restrictions on civil liberties for an indefinite period of time.

Well, to be fair, we're always being asked (actually, told) by the government that it's essential that we give up our civil liberties. That's what governments do -- they centralize power and try their best to turn everybody into a well-behaved, tax-paying prisoner. And don't think for a minute that it matters whether that government is liberal, conservative, or moderate -- it's an iron Weberian law of bureaucracy.

This is one of the times when the public is receptive to the idea, because they're scared sh1tless. Seems to happens about every 50 years -- the Anarchist Scare of the 1900's, the early Cold War of the 1950's, and now the Angry Towelhead Scare of the 2000's. During those times government officials get away with all sorts of nasty crap, and the public gains a false sense of security (which really is pretty valuable, since people produce more, spend more, and make more taxpayers when they feel safe).

As for whether the lunatic right wing is deserting Bush, man we could only hope. Granted that the Bushies' economic plan is still a pretty disgusting rape of 95% of our nation for the benefit of him and his friends, that alone would be far more acceptable than that coupled with an utter disregard for American values of tolerance and respect for various minorities. So perhaps we'll luck out and Ralph Reed will pull up stakes and take his one million moron march to heaven, but I wouldn't count on it. After twenty years, his ilk finally have the chance to truly poison American governance for a generation (or until the electorate wises up, whichever comes first).

The right wing coalition of wealthy cynics and bigoted "idealists" is going to break up eventually because the wealthy can't win without the bigots' votes, but the wealthy also can't win if they enact the bigots' policies because the rest of the country will puke on them. The GOP's only hope is for Bush to keep promising the KKKhristian Right the world and somehow blame someone (I dunno, blacks, women, fire ants) for not delivering, but even though the bigots are dumb, their leaders are not politically dumb, and they are going to see through it pretty fast.

[Sava]

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[Kepler]

I appreciate it, Sava.

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[Jac de Molay]

Well, to be fair, we're always being asked (actually, told) by the government that it's essential that we give up our civil liberties. That's what governments do -- they centralize power and try their best to turn everybody into a well-behaved, tax-paying prisoner.

Sure. But in turn, many of these power grabs have been tempered by active, vigilant courts. Seems like The patriot act and HSA were squeezed through with little concern on long-term constitutional impact. Nobody cared to read the fine print.

This is one of the times when the public is receptive to the idea, because they're scared sh1tless. Seems to happens about every 50 years --

This is a good point. I would only say that the technology is now available for the worst and most onerous infringements on liberty to become possible.

I'm not comfortable with a dubious character like Poindexter running some see-all Information Ministry, either.

[gsmoove23]

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[Bosh]

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[Ming]

Stay on topic people... and stop your spamming!