Poll: Is Georgias new "death warrant" on abortions a good idea?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
For abortions, and against executing murderers.
Some of this crowd are

Murderers are human beings. Fetuses aren't.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ned



In the words of Spock: Illogical.

Never take advice from a 60's tv show. Not very logical.

[SlowwHand]

Using some of the logic expressed here:

There's a house being built. Nothing up but the framework.
Someone ambles by, decides to burn the framing down.

I think that when caught, the person doing the burning should be charged with arson.

Che protests, saying it wasn't a house, it was only the beginning of a house.

Floyd? Floyd thinks it's his right to burn the framing.

[Arrian]

I hate the abortion issue. Hate it. Why?

Take this thread, for example. As Imran pointed out, this is a Bill and will most likely never come close to being made into Law. Yet we have 4 pages of debate on the subject. Some of that is because this is 'poly and we will debate almost anything. But most of it is because Abortion is such a polarizing issue.

It's also an issue on which the country is nearly evenly divided, IIRC. Yet the politicians spend all sorts of time and energy on the issue. Probably some of the pro-lifers really see it as a righteous crusade to stop murder, but the cynic in me sees it as a method by which the two parties can polarize voters in elections between candidates who are otherwise uninspiring and probably quite similar. Surely they must know that neither side really has a chance to "win" this debate in the foreseable future?

For the record, I'm pro-choice.

-Arrian

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Murderers are human beings. Fetuses aren't.

I don't think this is the issue, Che. The issue is the right to privacy. The question whether the fetus is human or not is somewhat beside the point.

[Jac de Molay]

Using some of the logic expressed here:

So what if the framing belongs to you on your own private property. It is arson then??

edit: If georgia was so interested in pursuing this, I hope they would just as enthusiastic to pursue cases where the mother needed medical treatment, like chemotherapy, that could potentially harm or kill the fetus.

[SlowwHand]

The Hell you say, Ned.
I forgot you. Your logic is very similar to Floyd's.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
I don't think this is the issue, Che.

It's the issue for me.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
There's a house being built. Nothing up but the framework.
Someone ambles by, decides to burn the framing down.

I think that when caught, the person doing the burning should be charged with arson.

Che protests, saying it wasn't a house, it was only the beginning of a house.

The house doesn't belong to the person ambling by, so he's destroying someone else's property (the fetus belongs to the mother). As well, starting a fire presents a danger to others (having an abortion is safer than having a baby), as fire has a tendency to spread. Your comparison is faulty.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

In most all issues I consider myself conservative in this particular issue I am pro-choice (liberal). (and as I support womens choice to murder babies and am a capitalist isuppose that makes me the ulimate, evil incarnate ) As Imran suggests this has a snowballs chance in passing, but in the event it would and talking to the larger implication i.e. reversal of Roe v. Wade.

The implications of banning abortion IMHO are manifold.

1. If we allow for the arguement that a fetus is destined to be a human being and is threby endowed with rights (an arguement I don't buy into). Then their is a logical disconnect IMHO as to reasons why abortion is a allowable choice. Normally speaking women who are victims of rape or rape/incest are allowed the choice to abort in many conservative circles. Why? Is the life of the innocent child any less precious in these circumstances? Why is it that a women's/victim's rights supercede those of the unborn child? The answer is that women in this situation are considered innocent and not responsible for the acts carried out against them. Because they are innocent they are allowed to commit 'murder' if you will on the unborn.

This strikes at the heart of the matter. If a woman is considered irresponsible then its the same old "she had it coming attitude". "Shame on her". "Make your bed and lie in it". Its situational ethics that in my opinion is the height of hypocrisy.

2. The impliciations on a society are astounding. For the western world, a civilization empowering women to be equal and making up 1/2 the workforce it is inconceivable to me that we still hold women almost solely accountable for procreation. Slow is right there is a problem with lack of responsibility in this world. I , however, hold men as the more irresponsible gender. The staggering cost of single parent homes, due to lack of proper male participationin child rearing disgusts me. It becomes exceedingly apparent to me that as this society becomes more polorized with respect to distribution of wealth it becomes almost a necessity to have a 2 parent home in order to have a decent shot at success in life.

I also see a disconnect with the conservative agenda to eliminate family planning yet in the same breath condemn abortion.

Again, a very bad idea. Consider me now a libertarian. Smaller government in all aspects including lack of involvement in the bedroom.

Og

[LDiCesare]

File a suit. Get a death warrant on your baby. Move to another state. Wait for a few years. If the child doesn't behave, go back to Georgia and get him killed.
Isn't that a great bill?

I'd agree with che on what the issue is.

[SlowwHand]

What makes you think the baby belongs to you?
Never mind. I forgot totally for a second your thoughts on other things.
My error. Only a person of faith would recognize and acknowledge the fact that the baby was a "loaner".

[chequita guevara]

You can't make me say it. No. I don't wanna. Not gonna . . .





























Ogalthorpe is totally on the money.

I feel so dirty.

[SlowwHand]

Well, Hell. I already agreed with him, as far as rape goes.
It's as a means of birth control thats b.s.

[Jac de Molay]

1. If we allow for the arguement that a fetus is destined to be a human being and is threby endowed with rights (an arguement I don't buy into). Then their is a logical disconnect IMHO as to reasons why abortion is a allowable choice. Normally speaking women who are victims of rape or rape/incest are allowed the choice to abort in many conservative circles. Why? Is the life of the innocent child any less precious in these circumstances? Why is it that a women's/victim's rights supercede those of the unborn child? The answer is that women in this situation are considered innocent and not responsible for the acts carried out against them. Because they are innocent they are allowed to commit 'murder' if you will on the unborn.

Exactly, and what does that say for equal protection for the fetus under the law? It's the circumstances of the pregnancy that dictate whether the fetus has "death warrant'" protection or not, while others are expendable.