Saddam APOLOGIZES for invading Kuwait?!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Hueij

Where are the [...], the Dutch, [...]?

Sigh... I'll let this go as another fine example of American ignorance

I know this one! The Netherlands!

An American who passed geography.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Alireza1354
YOU CARE ABOUT KUWAYTI'S?

YOU DONT CARE ABOUT ANY ARABS OR MUSLIMS!

HYPOCRITES

ONE DAY ALL ARABS WILL UNITE, BE THEY KUWAYTI, IRAQI OR EGYPTIAN, AND THEN WE WILL TECH YOU A LESSON.

I hope you do unite. Then we can do a proper job of cleaning up and not leave any messes behind us.

[Alireza1354]

AS IF YOU ALL CARE ABOUT (MUSLIM)KURDS,(MUSLIM)PERSIANS,(MUSLIM)IRAQI'S OR (MUSLIM) TURKS!



YOU F.....ING HYPOCRITES!!!!!



DID YOU FORGOT YOUR GOVERNMENTS CREATED THOSE DICTATORIAL REGIMES IN THE FIRST PLACE???

DID YOU FORGOT THAT THEIR WEAPONS ARE ALL MADE IN USA OR EUROPE??






I HOPE NOW YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY WE HATE YOU



WE ARE A PROUD PEOPLE WITH A LOOOOOOONG HISTORY


YOUR HYPOCRISY AND LOW-LIFE POLITICS IS DESPICABLE



WE MUSLIMS ARE NOT STUPID, DAY BY DAY WE GET MORE AWARE BY WHATS HAPPENING, AND IN THE MEANTIME, DEVELOPMENT AND COOPERATION WITH ASIA CONTINUES.


ONE DAY PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE MONSTERS YOU CREATED TO RULE OUR PEOPLE) WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE

AFTER WE HAVE DEALT WITH THE SADDAMS, OSAMA'S AND MUBARAKS, IT WILL BE YOUR TURN!!!

[Alireza1354]

Originally posted by Sikander


I hope you do unite. Then we can do a proper job of cleaning up and not leave any messes behind us.

Hello Sikandar

I dont think the bollywood ladies would like that.

Or else, they would have nowhere to go during their hollidays

[MichaeltheGreat]

Troll nicely, or you won't be trolling here at all.

[Gatekeeper]

MtG:

Heh. More than likely, you're correct regarding what Schwarzkopf has said. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if I heard a "muddled" version of what Schwarzkopf said (I blame FOX News' "fair and balanced" reporting ). Time also has a way of making one's memories suspect, too, I imagine. I could've swore that Schwarzkopf said that and not this ...

Gatekeeper

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Chegitz:

Hmm. Have I heard/read wrong again? It seems like the mantra I've encountered in regards to the military establishment and Vietnam is that we weren't doing enough to knock the NVs out of the picture.

Did we ever send large scale conventional ground forces into NV proper? I know we bombed the hell out of them over and over again, but did we ever secure the bombed-out targets afterwards? I don't think so. Besides China, there was also the Soviet Union to consider at the time as well.

Gatekeeper

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Alireza1354:





Gatekeeper

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Alireza1354
AS IF YOU ALL CARE ABOUT (MUSLIM)KURDS,(MUSLIM)PERSIANS,(MUSLIM)IRAQI'S OR (MUSLIM) TURKS!



YOU F.....ING HYPOCRITES!!!!!



DID YOU FORGOT YOUR GOVERNMENTS CREATED THOSE DICTATORIAL REGIMES IN THE FIRST PLACE???

IIRC the Kurds run their own affairs for the most part only in Iraq, the Iranians have a government completely of their own device, as do the Turks, and the Iraqis.

Originally posted by Alireza1354
DID YOU FORGOT THAT THEIR WEAPONS ARE ALL MADE IN USA OR EUROPE??

I HOPE NOW YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY WE HATE YOU

I don't think you even undersand why you hate us.

Originally posted by Alireza1354
WE ARE A PROUD PEOPLE WITH A LOOOOOOONG HISTORY

It's better to be proud about what you are doing, and not what your great grandfather did. History is useful as a source for understanding the present and the potential for the future. It is not a scoring system. It can be a trap though. If you focus too much on the past you are bound to make a lot of errors in the present, and mortgage your future.

Originally posted by Alireza1354
YOUR HYPOCRISY AND LOW-LIFE POLITICS IS DESPICABLE

Everyone's hypocrisy and low-life politics are despicable.

Originally posted by Alireza1354

WE MUSLIMS ARE NOT STUPID, DAY BY DAY WE GET MORE AWARE BY WHATS HAPPENING, AND IN THE MEANTIME, DEVELOPMENT AND COOPERATION WITH ASIA CONTINUES.

No you are not stupid, though you are some of the most ignorant people on the planet in the aggregate. Keep working on it.

Originally posted by Alireza1354
ONE DAY PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE MONSTERS YOU CREATED TO RULE OUR PEOPLE) WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE

AFTER WE HAVE DEALT WITH THE SADDAMS, OSAMA'S AND MUBARAKS, IT WILL BE YOUR TURN!!!

Your leaders are your own. Some regimes which were set up by the West still survive (ie Saudi Arabia), but they only do so because their own people allow it. All the support in the world will not allow them to stand against their own people. Look at all of the Arab states that threw off the government they were left with after the collapse of the Ottoman empire and the end of colonialism. They may be dictatorial and criminal, but they are of your own making. If you don't like them, then please destroy them. We don't like them either.

As for our "turn", you would be wise to remember the addage: "The best revenge is living well." The Muslim world even if it could be unified (it can't) won't be in any position to mete out revenge for a long time without being destroyed themselves. Perhaps that is all you are capable of, but I have more faith in you than that. Live well, and let Allah sort it out at the end.

[Alireza1354]

[/QUOTE]

IIRC the Kurds run their own affairs for the most part only in Iraq, the Iranians have a government completely of their own device, as do the Turks, and the Iraqis.

The Kurds have no independent state because of nationalist states in the Middle East in which they were deliberately divided by the English and French colonial powers back in the days after WO1 and recently the Americans told them they will never accept the forming of a Kurdish state, even after Saddam has been dealt with and the fact that they are well equiped and ready to do so and have the democratic support of virtual all Kurds! The Irani fundamentalists have been strenghtened and eventually brought to power by westen intelligence agencies after one faled US backed coup back in '51 and later after the Shah was discredited by the US because of his gradual independent stance from the USA on internal and external political and economical affairs and his growth of power in the Middle East which would inevitably endanger US interests in that area. Khomeini was harboured in France and well cared for by western intelligence agencies and even escorted to Iran by the French airforce in '79. The Iraqi state has been produced by the English which used to be a kingdom (1932) , but was overthrown by the pro-USSR socialist military (1962). Later on in 1979, Saddam Hussein with US support took power together with anti-communist pro-western arab nationalist fascists which constitutes his Baath party to deal with fundamentalist Iran! Saddam was called by western powers "a stabile and pragmatic leader" and "an enlightened despot". The Turks and their government is a result of western political infiltration of the Young Turks before, during and after the 1st WO. The fascist and hated Turkish government could have never survived this long if it were not for the USA and Europe to support them.

It's better to be proud about what you are doing, and not what your great grandfather did. History is useful as a source for understanding the present and the potential for the future. It is not a scoring system. It can be a trap though. If you focus too much on the past you are bound to make a lot of errors in the present, and mortgage your future.

Nothing more but rhetoric and repeating words we all know too well...

No you are not stupid, though you are some of the most ignorant people on the planet in the aggregate. Keep working on it.

Hhahaha says who! Man, you do not even know what Arabs, Kurds,Persians or Turks are! I bet you dont even know what Indians are!

Your leaders are your own. Some regimes which were set up by the West still survive (ie Saudi Arabia), but they only do so because their own people allow it. All the support in the world will not allow them to stand against their own people. Look at all of the Arab states that threw off the government they were left with after the collapse of the Ottoman empire and the end of colonialism. They may be dictatorial and criminal, but they are of your own making. If you don't like them, then please destroy them. We don't like them either.

Thats BULL..... !!!! There is NO democracy in the Middle East, so where do you find the guts to say we allow them??? There is TYRRANY and OPPRESSION here! Or is that YOUR view of democracy???? Everytime we stand up against them it is YOU who support the dictators and stop us! Remember Clinton apologizing after 40 years for the anti-constitutional coup in 1951 in Iran?? You LOVE them because stupid, dictatorial and backward leaders keep MUSLIMS backward, stupid and poor!! That is in YOUR interest cause then you can steel our resources away and use our lands for free! YOU love them and adore them! Thats why you SUPPORT them! And when they get naughty, you kill them and put some worse in their place!! The Arab states did NOT threw of the Ottomans! The Ottomans were legitimate leaders in the eyes of all Arabs! Only a bunch of opportunist desert rat-bedouins supported by a lost english spy-luitenant, Lawrence who was supported by the English government to lead a treacherous rebellion against the Ottomans managed to monopolize the struggle of Ottoman subjects for freedom and peace and by doing that ripped the empire apart! And all this happened while the anti-ottoman and pro-western fascist Young Turks, buthers of 1.5 million Armenians, were recruited by US and French governments to destroy the empire from within!

As for our "turn", you would be wise to remember the addage: "The best revenge is living well." The Muslim world even if it could be unified (it can't) won't be in any position to mete out revenge for a long time without being destroyed themselves. Perhaps that is all you are capable of, but I have more faith in you than that. Live well, and let Allah sort it out at the end.

The muslim world is unifying fastly, you know it, everyone knows it. Powers are shifting, the worlds geopolitical structures are changing. The proliferation of crucial high tech technology and the integration of various muslim countries in cooperation economical and polical blocks scetch another picture than your pathetic hill-billy-jim-view of the world. We are growing fastly towards one another and we are bussy re-interpreting islam and getting rid of fundamentalist and corrupt elements in our religion. But we dont have amnesia.

We know where we came from, where we are and were we go to.

We know why we are the way we are. We are aware of our shared destiny.

Your grip on us will be broken soon, your grip is already showing signs of breach.

When we will have democracy, we will choose whats good for us and not for YOU.

When we will have democracy, we will unite, not because you want it or not, but because we want it!

Your game will soon be over

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Alireza1354

The Kurds have no independent state because of nationalist states in the Middle East in which they were deliberately divided by the English and French colonial powers back in the days after WO1 and recently the Americans told them they will never accept the forming of a Kurdish state, even after Saddam has been dealt with and the fact that they are well equiped and ready to do so and have the democratic support of virtual all Kurds!

And this is our fault how? None of the Muslim states around them will consider a Kurdish state. If they would accept one we would be happy to see one also, but Turkey, Iran and Iraq won't hear of it, and they are much more powerful than the Kurds. It seems that the Kurds are going to have to make their own way here, and I wish them the best of luck.

Originally posted by Alireza1354

The Irani fundamentalists have been strenghtened and eventually brought to power by westen intelligence agencies after one faled US backed coup back in '51 and later after the Shah was discredited by the US because of his gradual independent stance from the USA on internal and external political and economical affairs and his growth of power in the Middle East which would inevitably endanger US interests in that area. Khomeini was harboured in France and well cared for by western intelligence agencies and even escorted to Iran by the French airforce in '79.

What a load of manure. I suppose you have some evidence to back up your claim that it was fear of Iranian power that caused the U.S. (with its allies) to topple the Shaw. For such pernicious evil doers we sure looked stupid at the time. And what a great policy it has turned out to be, from day one right up to the present. What we tried to do late in the game was damage control. We supported the (as it turned out) interim government in an attempt to cut our losses. Our (U.S.) intention was always to keep a strong Iran as a bulwark against Soviet power. It wasn't until after the revolution that we saw Iran as a threat to our allies in the Gulf, and it wasn't until very late in the Carter administration that we began to even consider a long term military presence in the area (and by this I mean troops, not just bases).

Originally posted by Alireza1354
The Iraqi state has been produced by the English which used to be a kingdom (1932) , but was overthrown by the pro-USSR socialist military (1962). Later on in 1979, Saddam Hussein with US support took power together with anti-communist pro-western arab nationalist fascists which constitutes his Baath party to deal with fundamentalist Iran! Saddam was called by western powers "a stabile and pragmatic leader" and "an enlightened despot".

So you are saying that Jimmy Carter put Saddam Hussein in power in Iraq? Again I'd like to see some evidence of this. From what I have read we didn't cozy up to Saddam until after he had a go at Iran, and survived the first serious counter-attacks. If you have some evidence to the contrary, then please enlighten me.

Originally posted by Alireza1354
The Turks and their government is a result of western political infiltration of the Young Turks before, during and after the 1st WO. The fascist and hated Turkish government could have never survived this long if it were not for the USA and Europe to support them.

Do you think that ideas are capable of infiltration, or was Autaturk surrounded by the minions of his secret masters in the West? If the ideas themselves are capable of infiltration, then you yourself have been heavily infiltrated by the West. Honestly, how the hell could someone whose public life is so well-documented have secretly been a Western stooge? And you should know that no matter how much power is lined up behind a government, it is not enough to keep it from falling if the people want it gone. Iran and Afghanistan and Vietnam should be all the evidence you need of this fact.

Originally posted by Alireza1354
Nothing more but rhetoric and repeating words we all know too well...

Your lack of response shows how right I am about this.

Originally posted by Alireza1354

Hhahaha says who! Man, you do not even know what Arabs, Kurds,Persians or Turks are! I bet you dont even know what Indians are!

I know what they are, they are people. Arabs speak one of several dialects of Arabic, a Semitic language. They originated on the Arabian peninsula, but spread far and wide on the winds of Islam, particularly through North Africa, the Levant, the Sahel, and East Africa. Kurds speak an Indo-European language, and have been in the middlel east for a very long time. They share the Islamic religion with their neighbors. Persians are an ancient people who have usually been the most advanced people in the region culturally. They too speak an Indo-European language, and are related to a large group of peoples in Central Asia. They are also related to the Aryans who invaded India in prehistoric times and conquered the old stone age civilizations there. Indians are a complex mix of peoples, from Dravidian to Moguls. They are one of the most complex societies on the planet, with many major religions, many languages etc. Knowing what Indians are I would consider a major achievement. Everyone has an opinion, but the vast majority are based on a tiny base of knowledge. Turks speak a Turkic language (like the Mongols etc.). They are relative newcomers to the area, but their impact will be felt forever due to the Ottoman Empire, a vast empire that basically replaced the Eastern Roman empire at the height of it's territorial extent. They converted to Islam early on, and then picked up the pieces after the Arabs swept through.

Too bad I have to go now. I'm sure you'll have your hands full with the others on this board. I'll try to finish my replies tomorrow.

[Arrian]

AFTER WE HAVE DEALT WITH THE SADDAMS, OSAMA'S AND MUBARAKS, IT WILL BE YOUR TURN!!!

Bring it.

-Arrian

[Ned]

Wow, Alireza, your posts are scary. Where do you come from BTW?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Alireza1354
AS IF YOU ALL CARE ABOUT (MUSLIM)KURDS,(MUSLIM)PERSIANS,(MUSLIM)IRAQI'S OR (MUSLIM) TURKS!
YOU F.....ING HYPOCRITES!!!!!
DID YOU FORGOT YOUR GOVERNMENTS CREATED THOSE DICTATORIAL REGIMES IN THE FIRST PLACE???
DID YOU FORGOT THAT THEIR WEAPONS ARE ALL MADE IN USA OR EUROPE??
I HOPE NOW YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY WE HATE YOU
WE ARE A PROUD PEOPLE WITH A LOOOOOOONG HISTORY
YOUR HYPOCRISY AND LOW-LIFE POLITICS IS DESPICABLE
WE MUSLIMS ARE NOT STUPID, DAY BY DAY WE GET MORE AWARE BY WHATS HAPPENING, AND IN THE MEANTIME, DEVELOPMENT AND COOPERATION WITH ASIA CONTINUES.
ONE DAY PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE MONSTERS YOU CREATED TO RULE OUR PEOPLE) WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE
AFTER WE HAVE DEALT WITH THE SADDAMS, OSAMA'S AND MUBARAKS, IT WILL BE YOUR TURN!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Saddam's political party was originally labeled something along the lines of the "Arab Socialist Party". It's pretty darn silly to suggest that the captialist US created Arab socialism, particularily when Iraq was aligned with the Soviet Union until the SU collapsed. Likewise Mubarak comes from a long line of Eyptian dictators originating with Gamel Nasser. Surely you're not so naive as to suggest that the US is responsible for the ascendence of Nasser? The modern government of Turkey originated with Ataturk's revolution post WWI. One of Ataturk's first acts was to throw out the British forces occupying Istanbul, so he obviously wasn't a western tool either.

Most of Iraq's weapons came from the former Soviet Union, which while technically European certainly was never a part of "the west". If you're going to make that claim maybe you should drop that sentenace about "we muslims are not stupid", because if you don't understand the historical conflict between the NATO powers and the Warsaw Pact then you at least qualify as ignorant.

Let me give you a hint buddy. Muslims are not loved by the world's one billion Hindus, or the world's one and a half billion Buddhists, or the world's two billion Christians. Why do you think that is? If you want an all out gut busting worldwide religious war you guys had better start treating someone out there nicely, or you're going to find yourselves out numbered 4 to 1, as well as facing forces having a vast technicological edge. Sentiments like those you expressed above would be just about perfect for uniting the rest of the world.

Oh, and about your "looooong history": You have a long history of stealing other people's holy places. Don't push your luck.

[Dr Strangelove]

Oh golly, here we go about Iran again. Declassified documents form the old Soviet Union show that the communists were planning to stage a coup, backed up by Soviet troops still deployed in the area of northern Iran occupied by Soviets from 1943 to 1951. The regime in Iran was too waek to even demand the withdrawal of the Russians and was taking no action against the local communuists agitating riots throughout the country. At the time of the coup the democratic regime had less than one month to live according to Soviet plans. Had there been no intervention the Ayatollah Kohmeini would never have bothered the US because he and his kind would have been the first to die under a communist satellite regime. Indeed, even if he had managed to escape to Paris he still would not have lived, because in the 1950s the reach of the Warsaw Pact extended to clandestine executions of dissidents in western cities. The Warsaw Pact was much, much more efficient than the Shah could ever have dreamed.

BTW, if the west and the US have been so pervasive and ruthless in their control of politics in the middle east, how is it that the "Arab Socialist" movement ever managed to take control of Egypt, Syria, and Iraq?

[SpencerH]

Its always fun trying to decide whether such posts are actually from someone new here or a DP.

[Alireza1354]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Saddam's political party was originally labeled something along the lines of the "Arab Socialist Party". It's pretty darn silly to suggest that the captialist US created Arab socialism, particularily when Iraq was aligned with the Soviet Union until the SU collapsed.

Arab socialism? That has never exist. Capitalism thrives on the misery of others, so it is quite understandable they produced regimes incapable of governing themselves. Iraq wasnt aligned with the USSR, where did you hear that story? Saddam came to power after having deposed of leftist president Abd al Karim Qasim and was supported by the west in that. Only after the invasion of Kuwayt did he flirt with the USSR, then, at its end of days! So you are pretty wrong and pretty damn silly.

Likewise Mubarak comes from a long line of Eyptian dictators originating with Gamel Nasser. Surely you're not so naive as to suggest that the US is responsible for the ascendence of Nasser? The modern government of Turkey originated with Ataturk's revolution post WWI. One of Ataturk's first acts was to throw out the British forces occupying Istanbul, so he obviously wasn't a western tool either.

You are so naive and your view so simplistic. Mubarak had nothing to do with Jamal abd an Nasser. Nore was Nasser the start of a long line of Egyptian dictators. You should do something on your history. Mubarak came from the same elite as the dictator Sadat was. Sadat was a weak leader, fighting a war against Israel and then making peace, while breaching the wall of Arab unity Nasser made. Mubarak is just as incompetent, prooving this with the ruin and heaven of fundamentalists which he made of Egypt. Both Sadat and Mubarak were pro-western. Remember Sadat came to power after Nasser "suddenly" died of a "heartattack". The US preferred Nasser above king Faruq, because Nasser was actively pro USA in the beginning. Only after his quarrel with the US about financing the Aswan dam and his entitlement of the Suez canal which enraged the "civilized" British, he turned to the USSR! And Ataturk who throwed out many European forces did this in the name of ISLAM, the kurtulus savasi, or "war of freedom" was a Jihad in which he called upon Turks, Arabs, Albanians, Kurds and other muslims to get rid of western powers in Anatolia. Only after the war, did he abolished the caliphate and installed a pro-western state. You must be very naive and quite an idiot if you see a state first fighting against the west and then directly after the fighting selling his country out to that same enemy he fought. You might have never heard about the outbreaks of opposition against Ataturk right after the war of the muslims of Izmir, Konya, Trabzon, Yozgat, Sivas, Diyarbakir and many many other cities, by which the butchering of Izmir (after just having been freed from Greek armies????!!!) and the brutal opression of the Kurdish rebellion of Shaykh Said in Erzurum.He was a classical example of a western tool being a result of the subtile imperialism of the western ministeries of colonial and war-affairs.

Most of Iraq's weapons came from the former Soviet Union, which while technically European certainly was never a part of "the west". If you're going to make that claim maybe you should drop that sentenace about "we muslims are not stupid", because if you don't understand the historical conflict between the NATO powers and the Warsaw Pact then you at least qualify as ignorant.

Hhahahah Most of Iraqs weapons came from the USA buddy! It was the USA who supported Iraq massively against Khomeini during the 8-year old gulf war and previously against communist pioneers in Iraq!! When it concerned Iran, even the USSR would support Iraq too, and by this joining their so-called ideologic enemy in a struggle against an evil they saw was above their differences! Wow, what a SHAME! Look who's talking, this is really pathetic!

Let me give you a hint buddy. Muslims are not loved by the world's one billion Hindus, or the world's one and a half billion Buddhists, or the world's two billion Christians. Why do you think that is?

You are dreaming hahah There are only 400.000.000 hindu's , you seem to forget that India is a land of many religions, by which Hinduism constitutes not the absolute majority of people , but is the largest religion! Hindu's ADORE muslims, how about that! The Mogul shah's are being remembered almost with legendary nostalgia, and everybody just ADORES the mostly muslim actors of Bollywood, which happens to be situated in one of India's greatest muslim cities, Mumbay! Culturally there are only minor differences between the different people in India, by languages they are many but as a nation they are one! And remember Hindus feasting on the streets after they tested their nuclear bomb while USA was protesting? They said UP YOURS to you! Wasnt India always allied with Russia and those pro-western Paki's with USA? Indians and Hindu's despise western-made so called islamic terrorists, but they despise you even more!As for the Buddhists, they work together in the ASEAN with the worlds largest muslim country and the most dynamic muslim country (Indonesia and Malaysia), and hearing our good fellow Mahathir Mohammad and his Asian collegues , Asians just simply HATE you! 2 billion christians you said?? Where??? I only see empty churches and anti-catholicism and a firm stance of atheism in the west! As for in the heaven of Arab pioneers of the catholic countries of south America or the Eastern Orthodox christians, they dont like the USA or the west very much dont they? They see Spanish or European interference as neo-imperialistic and even in the US itself latins are notvery positive about their western european fellow countrymen! And thanks to the Eastern Orthodox christians Iran has ballistic missiles and 2 nuclear powerplants thank yooouuuu!!

If you want an all out gut busting worldwide religious war you guys had better start treating someone out there nicely, or you're going to find yourselves out numbered 4 to 1, as well as facing forces having a vast technicological edge. Sentiments like those you expressed above would be just about perfect for uniting the rest of the world.

Religious wars? Mention only ONE you hypocrite! The last religious war this world saw, were the crusades, after that, we had only the reconquista, the conquest of the America's and the war in the Balkans, all triggered by non-muslims! Furthermore are the worst war this world has ever seen no religious ones but ideological ones, but I hope you havent sunk so deep in shame and ignorance that you dont even know which ones these were! I spare you the details over these particular wars you ignorant hypocrite!

As for technology and numbers,... ppooooor poooor guy.. Technology is universal and can be acquiered by every man or woman, regardless of race or sexe or whatever. You should be very naive if you think the (diminishing) technological edge is staying there for ever. As for the numbers, you are a small minority in this world, exploiting the vast majority of resources shamelessly. You are investing in your own death. The world shall not look and stand by. Its a question of time. And time runs out! Physics say this situation is ready to explode, it cannot stay like this. Your people are all intoxicated by decadence, egoism and arrogance, while confronted with billions of highly ideological non-westerners, who have only started to build up their counties! How do you want to defend your countries in some 50 years from now, with senior citizens???

Oh, and about your "looooong history": You have a long history of stealing other people's holy places. Don't push your luck.

The crusades were no initiative of muslims, and the Jihad upon the Byzantines was mostly financed by Jews and dissident Byzantine christians. How do you want to explain the fact that most good generals and scientists of the muslim era of the Ummayads and Abbasids were ex-zoroastrians or ex-christians? As for stealing other peoples holy places, we saw who steeled what and with whoms help back in 5-15-1948!

We ARE the Byzantines, we ARE the zoroastrians, we ARE the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Babylonians! This is OUR place on earth and your grip will soon be broken!!


You on the contrary may pray for luck, cause your downfall is inevitable.. Pray that you may fall down lightly, cause NO ONE is going to catch you and NO ONE is going to care!