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  • #61
    Originally posted by Boris Godunov
    And yet your army is still ****...
    Well thanks to the Germans selling us Leopard 2 Tanks that is no longer the case. That is the only reason why I have just a little respect for Germany.

    And with I do respect to other people in Europe, I think the Spanish Army is better funded (per soldier) and trained. It may not be the largest, but it is probably the most professional.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #62
      I thought you had a hard on for anything associated with goose-stepping fascism?
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Boris Godunov
        I thought you had a hard on for anything associated with goose-stepping fascism?
        Ha. Ha.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #64
          Originally posted by chegitz guevara


          If you joined to defend the US and you got sent oversees to attack some country that never did anything to you, you can reasonably make the choice to refuse to serve.
          There is nothing in the contract that you sign about only doing duty in the United States. It's about the goverment agreeing to do something for you( college money, regular pay, other benifits) and you agreeing to do something for the goverment (follow lawful orders from your commanding officers). It's as simple as that. They dont want to go overseas fine, they can also pay back the goverment what they received and not ***** about it. They signed their name knowing full well what military service includes and what it possibly could include. I bet none of them complained about getting to go to Europe and other places for their occaisional training, but when they actually have to give something they get all principled about it.
          Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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          • #65
            Wouldn't that be special? Enlist and only participate if the mood was right?
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #66
              "Drop and give me 20!"

              "Sorry, sir, I'm not in the mood today."

              "Oh...well. Take a nap instead. DIS-MISSED!"
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              • #67
                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                Wouldn't that be special? Enlist and only participate if the mood was right?
                Yeah... if you really want that experience (sarcasm) join the Spanish legion:

                The Spanish Legion
                http://www.specwarnet.com/europe/spanish_legion.htm
                The Spanish Legion


                The Legion today is not for the weak. Training is still brutal with punishment usually being a severe beating from NCOs who run training. Training still takes place in Ronda. It is suprisingly short, usually 3-4 months long. Recruits are signed on for a 3 year contract which is as hard to get out of as the French Foreign Legion's.Rectuits now are all volunteers from Spain (maybe). Basic military skills are taught, and forced marches are the norm. Like FFL, hard marches are supposed to make or brake a soldier. The Assault course is one of the most difficult in the world. Rumor has it live ammunition is used to shoot at recruts feet and over their heads while they are trying to complete the course. Recruits which undergo E&E training, usually BOEL soldiers, should expect punishment. E&E is brutal. The men are subjected to brutal beatings and other means of "torture". While no recruit has been killed during this phase, it must be said that it is probably very close to the real thing.
                You will get a real beating joining this force.

                The Legion marching:
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                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Sprayber
                  There is nothing in the contract that you sign about only doing duty in the United States.
                  I am aware of that, however, we are talking about 1990, and we hadn't engaged in a serious overseas adventure in 20 years. Most of the people, I'm sure, would have been fully prepared to defend South Korea or Germany from invasion, but most people in the US were opposed to going to war with Iraq (until the war actually started). People joined the reserves not knowing that the US was about to embark on a decade of aggression.

                  It's one thing to defend the US and its allies. It's another thing to be sent to fight wars where the US is the agressor, which is basically every fight we've been in since 1989.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #69
                    The United States ( read this as U.N.) was not the aggressor in the Gulf War.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #70
                      The US isn't the aggressor. I believe Iraq is. The Iraqi dictatorship have carried suffering and misery onto the kurds, iranians and kuwaitis. Now is it about time this regime be removed with force?
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #71
                        Hahahaha... the French legion makes the Spanish look a daycare

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Zylka
                          Hahahaha... the French legion makes the Spanish look a daycare
                          Considering how many times the French Legion has lost (Algeria, Vietnam) I would say not quite. So B.S! I have very little respect of the French Legion.

                          And if you would even bother reading the link I gave you, you haven proven wrong.

                          The French legion sucks.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #73
                            All the Spanish military has to do is shoo away a few Moroccans off of rocks that don't belong to Spain in the first place. Yeah, that takes guts!
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                              All the Spanish military has to do is shoo away a few Moroccans off of rocks that don't belong to Spain in the first place. Yeah, that takes guts!
                              That is just responsibility. It is our land and not Morocco's. And it will always be our land. Like Gibraltar, Cueta and that other enclave.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #75
                                The difference is that the people of Gibraltar want to be part of the UK, not a 3rd-rate power like Spain, whereas the people of Cueta et al. would prefer to be part of Morocco. Ergo Britain's control of Gibraltar is mandated by the will of the residents, while Spain maintains an immoral hold over unwilling people. Just like with the Basques.

                                So we see why the Spanish military is kept up so much: to subjugate the people Spain keeps oppressing.

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