IF tommorow the Palestinian people peacably protested in the street+did so for month

[CyberGnu]

Ming, so what is the procedure for DL's? Do I lodge a formal request when I suspect someone of being a DL?

There certainly is a pattern of pro-israeli posters appearing, spamming for a month or so, and then disappearing. Most recently we had musex and mandarin.

I don't know where you got the idea that someone would be a DL because they disagree with me. It's when someone appears, posts pointless and often inflammatory remarks, only to be of no substance and eventually disappears. You can't deny that it has happened in the past, and why should we thus not expect it to happen in the future?

[Ming]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Ming, so what is the procedure for DL's? Do I lodge a formal request when I suspect someone of being a DL?

You procedure for a DL is to do NOTHING. Not your problem or your call.

There certainly is a pattern of pro-israeli posters appearing, spamming for a month or so, and then disappearing. Most recently we had musex and mandarin.

So... Maybe it's because more people are pro israeli and get as annoyed as most pro isreaelis do when they read your stuff.

It's when someone appears, posts pointless and often inflammatory remarks, only to be of no substance and eventually disappears. You can't deny that it has happened in the past, and why should we thus not expect it to happen in the future?

Gee... I have a mailbox full of complaints about someone who posts pointless and often inflammatory remarks, and you are the person they are complaining about

So again folks... Keep it chilled... and no personal crap.
There will be no more warnings in this thread. And "he started it" won't be an excuse. And that doubly includes you CyberGnu...

[mrmitchell]

Can someone give me a summary of this thread?

I am a fat lazy American, and don't feel like reading 421 posts.

[CyberGnu]

You procedure for a DL is to do NOTHING. Not your problem or your call.

Does this mean that you guys are doing continuous monitoring of IP's, or just that you don't care?

So... Maybe it's because more people are pro israeli and get as annoyed as most pro isreaelis do when they read your stuff.

As much as I'd like the world to be centered on me, this is not the case. Both Mandarin and musex spammed before I joined the respective threads.

Gee... I have a mailbox full of complaints about someone who posts pointless and often inflammatory remarks, and you are the person they are complaining about

Intruiging. Would you mind forwarding one or two of these complaints (anonomously, I guess). I'm curious as to the content.

So again folks... Keep it chilled... and no personal crap.
There will be no more warnings in this thread. And "he started it" won't be an excuse. And that doubly includes you CyberGnu...

Sure. Question remains: what is the proper procedure for dealing with spam? Should I email you a complaint about spamming and trust that it will be taken care of? "Just letting it go" does not feel proper for a forum like this, where silence is equating acquiesense. Maybe a stock reply of "whatever, spamboy" works. Your call.

Look, all I want is intelligent debate. It pisses me off when I engage in what I believe is a serious attempt to debate, and it turns out to be nothing but spam...

[CyberGnu]

mrmitchell, the debate is whether the palestians protesting peacefully would lead to a palestinian state (a la the Tom Clancy book which title eludes me).

The argument in favor seems to be the hypothesis that the only reason the IDF is in palestine is because of the violence.

The counterarguments are both historical (the palestinians DID try to protest peacefully, in 1990, but we all know how well that went. The very reason the first intifada escalated to violence was the IDF's crackdown on protestors.) and conjectural (the hypothesis that the IDF are fomenting the violence as an excuse to retain their presence, instead of the other way around).

[Ming]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Does this mean that you guys are doing continuous monitoring of IP's, or just that you don't care?

When we see a problem, we look into it.

As much as I'd like the world to be centered on me, this is not the case. Both Mandarin and musex spammed before I joined the respective threads.

Many people consider your posts spam as well, just a matter of opinion.

Intruiging. Would you mind forwarding one or two of these complaints (anonomously, I guess). I'm curious as to the content.

There is a reason why they call them "PRIVATE" Messages.

Sure. Question remains: what is the proper procedure for dealing with spam? Should I email you a complaint about spamming and trust that it will be taken care of?

If you think there is a problem, you can always report the post using the complain about post button, or send a normal pm/email. I do read everyone I get. If I think action is needed I take it... If it's a minor complaint, I file it and when I receive multiple complaints about somebody I act. In many cases, I just delete them because they are just whining.

"Just letting it go" does not feel proper for a forum like this, where silence is equating acquiesense. Maybe a stock reply of "whatever, spamboy" works. Your call.

Yeah... you are correct in one thing... MY call. Not yours.

Look, all I want is intelligent debate. It pisses me off when I engage in what I believe is a serious attempt to debate, and it turns out to be nothing but spam...

As I said, you piss many people off, so it only seems fair

So get back on topic, stay on topic, and leave all the personal crap somewhere else.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
mrmitchell, the debate is whether the palestians protesting peacefully would lead to a palestinian state (a la the Tom Clancy book which title eludes me).

Sum of All Fears. The whole point according to the story, is that, Israel had always been seen as the victim, but when a peaceful protestor was shot, they became the aggressor, on the world stage.


ACK!

[CyberGnu]

Ming, considering something to be spam is one thing, showing something to be spam is another.

When people accuse me of lying, spamming or just not knowing what I talk about I ask them to point out one single instance. In the very few cases where the accuser has stepped up to base it resulted in the accuser apologizing.

Accusations are easy. Proving your accusation is much harder.


BTW, you never actually answered my question. Confirming that it is "your call" doesn't provide any new information...

I'll happily edit my reply to Edan to "whatever, spamboy" if you think that is better.

[CyberGnu]

Tuberski, thanks

[Ming]

Call somebody spamboy, and you will be restricted.

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR TO YOU...

It's NOT your call to determine spam... Your opinion on the subject DOESN'T MATTER.

Got it...

[Sirotnikov]

When people accuse me of lying, spamming or just not knowing what I talk about I ask them to point out one single instance. In the very few cases where the accuser has stepped up to base it resulted in the accuser apologizing.

*cough* *cough*

What about "Jerusalem Post invents stories in Die Welt"
and later "Die Welt must have invented that story! I know there are many newspapers run by Jews in Germany!"


For the new comers: Cyber was trying to argue that all Israeli media are lying and as trustworthy as say... Syrian newspapers, based on his "proof" that he couldn't find an article in Die Welt, to which the Jerusalem Post referred.

When I shoved it in his face, he began muttering about Jews controlling German newspapers.

[CyberGnu]

*sigh*

Would you mind telling me what you think is a proper response, then?

[CyberGnu]

Siro, I conceeded that you were right about the story. I also showed that the reason for me not finding the story was a search enginge problem (it was caps sensetive).

The "muttering about Jews controlling German newspapers.", however, only occured in your head.

[Sirotnikov]

Aaaaah, isn't that cute? Taking a leaf from Siros old book, I see? Since what I post doesn't agree with your world view, it must obviously be taken from a anti-semitic propaganda site?

I challenge you to find ONE SINGLE reference to an anti-semitic site. I don't read that drivel. Why would I? That would make me no better than the average pro-israeli.

What I DO reference are REAL sources. Newspapers such as the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times. Sometimes books, if they are written by reputable historians. I leave that part to Kreuze, though, since he is a better historian than I am. The UN website has plenty of good information. And, naturally, the EB, a most excellent source of information, although sometimes to shallow.

*cough* *cough*


gnu quoted from washington report quite alot the last time I was here (1 or 2 months ago).

And here's what I found on their 'activists' page.

[CyberGnu]

So? I posted something that was common knowledge, and the first two google hits on the subject.

When you whined about it I backed it up with the actual quote from Jimmy Carter.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1424028&highlight=washington+report#post1424028

I figured this was part of your usual tactic on harping on inconsequential details instead of dealing with the actual issue.

I also think this view was confirmed by the fact that you disappeared from the thread when you couldn't fault the sources anymore.