A good result in Blackburn last night?

[MikeH]

It's the same for a friend of mine in NZ at the moment.

[Caligastia]

Yeah, NZ is just as tough as the US on these matters.

Of course the US is only tough on those who respect its immigration laws. If you come in illegally they might give you a green card anyway.

[Felch]

I don't see why the modern nations have any problem with immigration. Native born citizens can usually get high-paying jobs because they've had excellent education opportunities, while immigrants from poor countries (around where I live that's mostling El Salvador and Vietnam) have the opportunity to do all the work that people born here don't want to do. It gives America an inexhaustible source of cheap labor, without meaningfully threatening the job security of people born here.

If the BNP doesn't see the benefits to open flows of labor, then they're a bunch of dunces.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Nice backtrack however. Looks like Spinky's no longer objecting to asylum seekers, but the law preventing them from working.

Now how many other of those prejudices are just basically founded on being ignorant?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

(Note to self- read the last page, you fool).

[Rage]

I am not a racsist. Racsism is when you hate or believe that someone is inferior to you. I have never once said that.

[spartak]

Originally posted by MikeH
I agree. Taz might be able to offer some insight into why it's like that though.

No actually I can't, really but if you PM me, I might privately.

Rage - nice tactic to let the thread flow and hope no-one remembers what we were discussing but taking you right back to your statements, please explain how you can claim not to be racist if you believe it is right to deny certain people basic human rights afforded others simply on the basis of their nationality or ethnic background?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Of course the US is only tough on those who respect its immigration laws. If you come in illegally they might give you a green card anyway.

Oh *****, *****, *****. And who is better off after a year, you or someone who snuck in illegally?

You know, without the millions of unducmented workers in the US, you would have any strawberries, and all your produce would be horrendously expensive, and lawns would go unmanicured and rich people would have to clean their own houses (okay, maybe that last bit isn't so bad). We need those workers. That's why they can find jobs in the first place.

[Worthingtons]

One problem there Felch X. We have enough workers in England to fill the Jobs without the immigrants. Just look at some of our big cities , they have unemployment from 5-10% officially, after blair's fiddles, it's a lot more!!

When I was in between jobs i've washed dishes to tide the finances through, but even that wasnt easy to come by!!

[Provost Harrison]

I do agree that the level of employment that is claimed is complete bull...it is very, very hard to get a decent job...

[molly bloom]

I confess there have been times reading this thread when I am heartily glad I emigrated. With open eyes, of course, fully cognizant of Australia's history, and disapproving of the Howard government's blatant demagoguery and opportunism re: asylum seekers.

I marched against the likes of the BNP and the 'National' Front in Coventry, in the 1970s and 1980s. Nothing I have read since then has convinced me that they have changed from being rent-a-fascist organisations, and that however much they attempt to adapt to the prevailing political climate ( their going 'Green' in the mid to late 80s was very amusing) , they will always be the parties appealing to the bottom-feeding know nothings who want simple answers to complex questions. Crime? Must be immigrants. Or blacks. Or better, both. Drugs? Same thing. Housing? Taxes? Foreign policy? Blame it all on a different religion, culture or skin colour.

People like Boddington and Rage make me ashamed to be British- of course, with the proviso that my parents were Irish immigrants, who did the jobs that British people didn't want to do. A triumph for democracy? It defaecates on democracy. It makes me angry that in the new South Africa people queued for over a day (and more, in some cases) to exercise their hard won right to vote, yet so many people in Blackburn couldn't be bothered, and so an unrepresentative racist minority can trumpet a victory that was nothing of the sort.

Colour my Union Jack- red, white, blue and BLACK.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Rothy
One problem there Felch X. We have enough workers in England to fill the Jobs without the immigrants. Just look at some of our big cities , they have unemployment from 5-10% officially, after blair's fiddles, it's a lot more!!

When I was in between jobs i've washed dishes to tide the finances through, but even that wasnt easy to come by!!

Immigrants don't steal jobs though is the thing. More people means more consumers means bigger markets means more jobs. It's no mistake that places with booming populations have booming economies, while places with declining populations have declining economies. In general more people are good for an economy - it's only when the government keeps them from working that you have problems.

[Clear Skies]

Originally posted by molly bloom
I confess there have been times reading this thread when I am heartily glad I emigrated. With open eyes, of course, fully cognizant of Australia's history, and disapproving of the Howard government's blatant demagoguery and opportunism re: asylum seekers.

I marched against the likes of the BNP and the 'National' Front in Coventry, in the 1970s and 1980s. Nothing I have read since then has convinced me that they have changed from being rent-a-fascist organisations, and that however much they attempt to adapt to the prevailing political climate ( their going 'Green' in the mid to late 80s was very amusing) , they will always be the parties appealing to the bottom-feeding know nothings who want simple answers to complex questions. Crime? Must be immigrants. Or blacks. Or better, both. Drugs? Same thing. Housing? Taxes? Foreign policy? Blame it all on a different religion, culture or skin colour.

People like Boddington and Rage make me ashamed to be British- of course, with the proviso that my parents were Irish immigrants, who did the jobs that British people didn't want to do. A triumph for democracy? It defaecates on democracy. It makes me angry that in the new South Africa people queued for over a day (and more, in some cases) to exercise their hard won right to vote, yet so many people in Blackburn couldn't be bothered, and so an unrepresentative racist minority can trumpet a victory that was nothing of the sort.

Colour my Union Jack- red, white, blue and BLACK.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Rothy
One problem there Felch X. We have enough workers in England to fill the Jobs without the immigrants. Just look at some of our big cities , they have unemployment from 5-10% officially, after blair's fiddles, it's a lot more!!

When I was in between jobs i've washed dishes to tide the finances through, but even that wasnt easy to come by!!

We have massive skill shortages in key areas of public service because the wages aren't high enough. Jobs that people from overseas are filling more and more often.

eg. It's something like 25% of all nurses now and 50% of all new nurses.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Oh *****, *****, *****. And who is better off after a year, you or someone who snuck in illegally?

Me of course, isn't that the way it should be? Or do you believe in coddling lawbreakers?

You know, without the millions of unducmented workers in the US, you would have any strawberries, and all your produce would be horrendously expensive, and lawns would go unmanicured and rich people would have to clean their own houses (okay, maybe that last bit isn't so bad). We need those workers. That's why they can find jobs in the first place.

Fine, provide them with working visas after screening them then. Don't just let them in and then reward them for breaking the law.