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Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba
I kinda wish I lived in China- all that potential for a nation must be exciting times for them.
Very true. It indeed is exciting times.
Anyway, here's an excerpt from a Chinese-language forum. You can take the contents to mean brainwashing, censorship, or both. Whatever. Personally I find little difference between the American and Chinese nationalism that I see online. Just look at the way a few pro-Tibetans were brutally flamed.
A: Check it out, a "Free Tibet" map from Tibetan splittists!!
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On their so-called independent "Free Tibet", they gave way all the land south of the MacMahon Line to India, in order to please Indian and Western forces supporting them. In order to win Indian support, they ceded Chinese land to India, - what betrayers they are of Tibet and China alike.
B: Mongolian? Manchu? Never heard of them. Probably dreamt up by some semi-insane person.
C: How big is China supposed to be, like that?!
D: Like the Northern Song dynasty!
(note: the Song dynasty was notorious for giving land away to barbarians.)
E: Mongolian independence is actually referring to Inner Mongolia, they go independent then merge with Outer Mong.
Manchuria? No one believes in a WW2 Manchukuo anymore.
As for the Tibetan govt-in-exile, they include all the areas that were mistakenly classified as Tibetan, like the Baimazang areas. By their logic, Indonesia is probably Chinese.
F: Land ain't food. Let them go independent.
G: {quoting E} Let's revive names like Di, Dangxiang etc.
(note: these were all ancient tribes in the Turkestani and Tibetan areas.)
H: (In English) Let these guys disappear from earth!
I: In their dreams.
A: The most disgusting isn't the splitting - they're spitting on the face of their ancestors. The 6th Dalai Lama was born in South Tibet, which is also holy to the Tibetans. But for independence, they're giving South Tibet freely to India.
H: (In English) Beat these guys!
E: Yeah, independence whatever, don't let them give away the lands that China fought to keep.
Vietnam is the best example. During Chinese suzerainity China couldn't keep Cochin China, but Vietnam conquered all of that. Only such form of independence is even meaningful.
J: (edited at xx/xx/xx xx:xx) F---ing watch it, some of you. I'm gonna curse your 18th ancestor. Land isn't useful, you f---ing get out of China.
J: (quoting F) When I see b----es like you I wanna ----! Die first, you ----, don't be the ---- of the Chinese race!
J: Differing opinions is fine, but I hate scum like you with no patriotic sense! Now it's peacetime, in war you'd be a traitor! Get the f--- out!
M: (moderator) (quoting F: Land ain't food. Let them go independent.) What the hell is this?! You're going over the line.
K: Racial scum!
L: Hahaha, let them go, us Chinese goes back to historical borders, during the Han and Tang.
N: Then why don't we go back to Shang borders? And Manchuria wasn't Han territory, you want to lose that too?
Well the discussion fizzled out, like all of them. But there's some perspective from the other side.
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Jiang was widely expected to retire entirely, so his holding on as Chairman of the Central Military Committee is a bit of a surprise to many. Others pointed out that, however, this is another tradition started by Deng. Jiang sits in a position of power to make sure things go smoothly for Hu. Also, if Hu fails to behave as expected, he can do something about it.
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Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba
I kinda wish I lived in China- all that potential for a nation must be exciting times for them.
I am very fascinated with China right now. I watched Jiang's to the 16th congress for about an hour.
Fairly interesting, although he said "the 3 represents" about 100 times, and I had to go look those up. He also said "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" about 100 times.
I am most fascinated with their "foresight" into the future. It's like their top minds are playing civ 3 and predicting how the power graph will look in 30 years.
"Also, if Hu fails to behave as expected, he can do something about it."
What's the scenario, if Hu fails to behave as expected?
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I kinda wish I lived in China- all that potential for a nation must be exciting times for them.
It is truly thrillng to live here! It's hard to describe how exciting it is to see a new nation leaping into existance all around you. I was back in the US for ten days, when I returned I couldn't believe the changes in my neighborhood after such a short period!
Last edited by mindseye; November 16, 2002, 07:20.
Originally posted by DanS "Also, if Hu fails to behave as expected, he can do something about it."
What's the scenario, if Hu fails to behave as expected?
Probably ousting him in some way, like the other Hu before him.
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
You know, of all the Maps I have looked at, I could never find many with an 'independent' Tibet... Too bad the Tibet issue is only fodder for a tiny group of people...
UR: I had been eharing for weeks that Ziang wanted to maintain lots of influence in the government, so I am not at all surprised that he kept the posts he did.
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"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
I really don't think whoever is in charge has much effect on the changes at ground level.
I'll definitely be back in Beijing for Christmas, and jobhunting during that time. I don't expect my comfortable standard of life to change drastically from how it was before.
The funny thing is that my housemate is also named Hu, but I suspect he probably isn't related to the President.
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