The final and ultimate proof for the truth of Christianity

[Az]

Sorry, Stupidity should be corrected.

[Robert]

the same old "I am superior" behavior among atheists / anti-christians never fails to entertain me.

c'mon Azazel, tell me more about how stupid I am, compared to your superior view on life.

And it's ok if you copy/paste your opinion from others.
It's easier to go witht he flow than developping your own thoughts.

I'm watching, and I'll applaude if you're entertaining enough!

[JohnM2433]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I hate to break it to you, but there's no difference between Christianity and other religions.

Pardon me?!?!

I think you mean that Christianity is no more true than other religions. All religions have their own unique elements that make them different from other religions, though, do they not?

If you want to debate the merits of Biblical literalism, check out these Bible Contradictions.

There are several counterarguments one could give to many claims of "contradiction", but they often require taking the passage at less than face value. One can hold that only the original text was infallible, but this requires that any teaching based on a translation is suspect, a view not held by many American fundamentalists, as far as I've seen. It's an interesting perspective, though. (For example, what if the Hebrew word "yom" in Genesis actually meant "an unimaginably long, but complete, period of time" rather than "a day", i.e., the translator made the wrong choice?)

I think that the most obvious argument against literalism is that there's no compelling reason to believe it. Why should we expect that everthing written in the Bible, or any holy text, should be literally true? Personally, it seems to me a sort of religious perversion to put one's faith in a book, or a pope, or whatever, rather than the actual deity/deities you believe in. That is to say, faith in some fallible, human authority could cloud your understanding of God, rather than assisting it.

I, too, find it hard to believe that God would give us brains and then expect us not to use them. Moreover, it seems to me that if an omnipotent being wanted people to believe in a certain religious message, He could quite easily demonstate to them which one is the correct one, rather than forcing them to guess. Yet, strangely, we do not see God calling a press conference to tell people which religion to believe. This requires a rather less simplistic religious understanding on the part of many theists, IMO, if they wish for their beliefs to remain consistent with reality.

[Dauphin]

Re: Re: The final and ultimate proof for the truth of Christianity

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Faith is a psychological/neurochemical phenomenon, and there is no reason to think anything other. Religion is nothing but a play on loopholes in the human psyche.

So is love. What's your point?

[Rogan Josh]

Cybershy: just ignore them - they are only trolling. The don't want a rational debate - they have already been brainwashed into their closed-mind attitudes and you won't shift them by posting here. Just them them have their merry atheist jerk-off session uninterupted. (SD seems to be the only non-christian here with any scientific integrity and no mindless prejudices.)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
(SD seems to be the only non-christian here with any scientific integrity and no mindless prejudices.)

I thought that he was Christian.

[NeOmega]

Doh, I read the title of the thread and thought I might finally meet jesus and his love. Instead it's just another thread for religion bashing.

My God, wherefore art thou?

[JohnM2433]

Originally posted by Verto
How offensive.

Try to have a little respect for another's beliefs.

Exactly which parts of this thread do you find offensive?

If someone believes in something that you feel is blatantly false, does "disrespecting" that belief mean

1. Recognizing it as nonsense, or
2. Calling it such?

I would maintain that 2 is a perfectly acceptable form of behaviour. (1, of course, is involuntary. At least it is for me.) I don't think that we should be required to "respect" beliefs in this way. I'm not even convinced that all people deserve respect, much less ideas.

[Lorizael]

Cybershy (First off, I am not proselytizing), what would convince you that God did not exist. What argument could anyone here make that would prove to you that the universe is totally natural and no supernatural power exists?

If the answer to your question is nothing, then there is no point in a discussion taking place, as a discussion requires logic and reasoning and an opinion that cannot be changed, even in the face of logic and reasoning, will not ever be changed.

Then again I can reverse the question for the atheists here, what would convince you all that there is in fact a God?

If nothing, then stop arguing.

Personally, I've attempted to reject the cultural beliefs thrown at me by every source (except my family) since birth. This way, I can hopefully look at the world in a rational manner.

Doing this, I've come to the conclusion that there is little evidence for the existence of a God. Because of that, I do not let the knowledge that I cannot prove that there isn't a God (and that God may in fact exist) affect my life.

The only piece of evidence (for me) that would make believe in some sort of higher deity, is the fact that the universe doesn't really have an origin at this point. But I don't know enough higher science to really make an informed opinion on the subject. Though I'm also of the opinion that scientists don't really have enough knowledge and information yet to say anything concrete as far as the origin of the universe is concerned.

Welp, I think I'll go back to lurking for awhile now. Haven't said that much in awhile.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Verto
How offensive.

Try to have a little respect for another's beliefs.

You'll find it is just too close to the bone for your tastes. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

And SD, yes, so is love. What's your point? I've never been in love either

[Dr Strangelove]

Re: Re: The final and ultimate proof for the truth of Christianity

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


To quote Friedrich Nietzsche: 'A casual stroll through a lunatic asylum will demonstrate that faith proves nothing'. Faith is a psychological/neurochemical phenomenon, and there is no reason to think anything other. Religion is nothing but a play on loopholes in the human psyche.

Nietzche died in a lunatic asylum, so he knew this from first hand experience.

[Provost Harrison]

Hehe, that's very true

[Alexander's Horse]

Some old uni graffiti:

God is dead.

Nietzsche


Nietzsche is dead.

God.

[Felch]

God is Nietzsche.

Dead.

I suppose it doesn't work quite as well.

[Bereta_Eder]

They' re just both dead.
Allegedly.