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Hence my comment, which says absolutely nothing about rans' opinion.
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I can't believe I wasted all that time explaining this.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I think that is relevent, it or it seemingly being true before he said it's not. But it's not true, nor seemingly.It's totally irrelevent whether it's his opinion or not.
I think it would be polite to point this out who one is referring to instead of putting it after a qoute of someone else.Hence my comment, which says absolutely nothing about rans' opinion.Comment
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My "reason" is probably stubborness and a bit of vanity, what's your excuse?Originally posted by Ramo
I can't believe I wasted all that time explaining this.
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Why shouldn't I put it after his quote. It was a direct response to his assertion.
As for putting some sort of disclaimer, I assume people who I'm arguing with follow the discussion. Sometimes they don't, but I can't be arsed to make sure everyone does (hell, sometimes, I don't follow it). It seems rather self-righteous of you to criticize me on this point.
Come again?I think that is relevent, it or it seemingly being true before he said it's not. But it's not true, nor seemingly.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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The same more or less. And I get a little more touchy than I should about issues like racism, I suppose.My "reason" is probably stubborness and a bit of vanity, what's your excuse?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Maybe we should ask the guys opinion too about this.Originally posted by Ramo
Why shouldn't I put it after his quote. It was a direct response to his assertion.
As for putting some sort of disclaimer, I assume people who I'm arguing with follow the discussion. Sometimes they don't, but I can't be arsed to make sure everyone does (hell, sometimes, I don't follow it). It seems rather self-righteous of you to criticize me on this point.
Self-righteous? I think you did a wrong I try to avoid. Not just that, you totally denied/deny doing it, which in my eyes is much worse.
Come again?
I was just playing with the possibility that it at first hand seemed to you that it was his opinion, and later reveleaded to not be, which would make it less bad. It was even off topic of our off topic topic.
I think I should get some sleep finally, it's 10 am
Edit: oops, not your but our.Comment
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I really doubt he gives a ****. This is absurd pedantry.Maybe we should ask the guys opinion too about this.
No.... he made it clear it was not his opinion in the beginning, and that he was exploring the possibility. I know that.I was just playing with the possibility that it at first hand seemed to you that it was his opinion, and later reveleaded to not be, which would make it less bad. It was even off topic of our off topic topic.
What wrong did I do, exactly? I never said he thinks blacks are more violent than whites, and that's quite clear to anyone who's following the discussion (which, I admit might be challenging given its length and tangeants). I thought I've explained that already.I think you did a wrong I try to avoid. Not just that, you totally denied/deny doing it, which in my eyes is much worse.
I've answered your accusation totally and completely, and you haven't bothered backed it up. It's really starting to bore me. Later."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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This amounts to nothing more than name-calling. This is typical of the believers in racial equality.Originally posted by Ramo
He's a racist, and any pretense of "what if" is bull****.
If both sides are totally honest they will admit that science has not proven whether races are equal or not. Ranskaldan makes a good comparison between the "anti-racists" and fundimentalists.
Although nothing has been proven scientifically, the anti-racists claim moral superiority, and accuse anyone with a different viewpoint on the subject of being motivated by hate or paranoia.
I agree completely. To me, racism is judging someone by their race alone. This is something I try never to do. Yet because I don't believe that different races are equal, I am branded a racist. How silly!Originally posted by ranskaldan
All in all I would agree that racism is wrong. But I don't think it's wrong because there are NO differences among races / spectrum locations / whatever. I think it's wrong because no human deserves to be pigeonholed before they have a chance to show their individual self....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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some dog races are considered smarter than other, right? AND they can breed with eachother...
perhaps it's the same with humans.
(just thinking out loud here. don't label me as a racist please)CSPAComment
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You're only saying that because you hate black people.(just kiddingOriginally posted by Gangerolf
some dog races are considered smarter than other, right? AND they can breed with eachother...
perhaps it's the same with humans.
(just thinking out loud here. don't label me as a racist please)
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...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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No it's not. It's a misleading conclusion based on a fraction of the information needed to understand the entire situation.By your argument it would also be factually correct for me to say that in the UK or US white males are more likely to commit fraud than other races. Does this mean that the tax departments should inspect the accounts of companies with white accountants more thoroughly than those that employ black accountants?
Not necessarily, but I am not offended by the statement you made about white males if it is factually correct.
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Would it be OK for a police chief to say that publically and give the impression that the white males are generally corrupt?
Its still a statement of fact, so I don't have a problem with it.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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What if you said that those caught being involved with fraud were more likely to be white males than any other race?Originally posted by MikeH
No it's not. It's a misleading conclusion based on a fraction of the information needed to understand the entire situation....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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X-Fear!
Why choose race as the factor to home in on is the point. Why not look into it and maybe discover that it's most likely to be people in a certain level of role in a certain size of company with a certain set of personal problems that are to blame.
The best link between people and violent crime isn't one of race but one of hard drugs. Addicts are more likely to commit crime than non addicts. So a good police strategy might be to target and help addicts. See here.
What's the difference between linking crime to race and linking it to drugs? Drug use is a societal problem not a genetic one.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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Possibly, but is it evil to even consider the possibility of a genetic contributor?Originally posted by MikeH
What's the difference between linking crime to race and linking it to drugs? Drug use is a societal problem not a genetic one....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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