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I though we were discussing anarchy, not anarchism...
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There's no difference. "Anarchy" has been hijacked by the authorities (it used to be used often) as a synonomy for "chaos," so anarchists generally prefer using the word anarchism."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I thought it was a synonym for chaos. It certainly seems to have been used this way in the first post.Comment
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Originally posted by Ramo
Libertarian socialism, to put it succintly.
If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -KelsoComment
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There's nothing funny about it. Y'all were the splitters. Libertarianism originally meant anarchism.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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I can start calling my TV a telephone and then laugh at everyone who still calls it a TV, it doesn't make it a telephone.
Socialism is impossible without central planning. That's the whole idea.If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -KelsoComment
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It's interesting how authoritarianism changes language. Anarchism was heavily criminalized in the US early in the century, and "anarchy" changes to "chaos."I thought it was a synonym for chaos.
Then he should've used a more appropriate description for what he wanted to refer to, like feudalism.It certainly seems to have been used this way in the first post."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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No. Libertarianism came from a group championing individual rights. Socialism is the express idea of denying all individual rights.
Who do mean by "y'all?" The entire Libertarian party?!
If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -KelsoComment
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People generally have no idea about political history. Ask your average person what a fascist is. Ask him what a classical liberal is. Just because he's ignorant doesn't make him right.I can start calling my TV a telephone and then laugh at everyone who still calls it a TV, it doesn't make it a telephone.
Socialism is the worker control of means of production. That's the whole idea.Socialism is impossible without central planning. That's the whole idea."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Or just chaos, though that's likely to evolve into feudalism eventually (if the society actually survives, that is).Then he should've used a more appropriate description for what he wanted to refer to, like feudalism.Comment
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The phrase libertarianism originated in the 19th century as a synonym to anarchism. I can guarantee you that no one meant capitalism by that phrase in 1850.No. Libertarianism came from a group championing individual rights.
Socialism is about worker liberty. It's true some variants of socialism don't hold to that ideal, but that irrelevent. I'm referring to socialism as it pertains to anarchism.Socialism is the express idea of denying all individual rights.
Yep.Who do mean by "y'all?" The entire Libertarian party?!"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Ramo, if you insist on using different definitions than what is generally accepted, you're just going to confuse the normal people.
I don't want to get into a Socialism/Capitalism fight and I don't want to get into a semantics argument. I think you very well aware of what anarchy is considered to mean. It is the absence of government. The court system is a part of government. The police are a part of government. You can say, No no, I wouldn't call it government. Well good for you....If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -KelsoComment
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Libertarianism now means the combination of capitalism and individual social rights. And just like you can't go around using "liberal" as it was once used, you can't go back 150 years in the meaning of libertarianism. It means what it means now. Sorry if it makes you sad. You know what it means now, and you are purposely trying to stir things up and cause confusion...If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -KelsoComment
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If I insist on using bastardized definitions for everything, people just get confused. Like how people associate 20th centurly liberalism with 19th century liberalism. If I don't insist on using the right definition, my political movement would be tarred as "chaos."
I'm just pointing out socialism is about worker control, not state control. That's a very important distinction.I don't want to get into a Socialism/Capitalism fight"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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In the US, that's true. In most of the rest of the world, libertarianism is associated with anarchism.Libertarianism now means the combination of capitalism and individual social rights."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Fine. I will continue to view communism and socialism in the same light because group control is group control. I don't care what you call your group.If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -KelsoComment
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