International creationism

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by CyberShy
If it's true that all matter + all anti-matter = 0

Incidentally, this isn't true. Charge-conjugation symmetry violation is a well observed scientific fact, which unavoidably leads to the differences in matter and antimatter.

[Saint Marcus]

there's not much to be token leteral in the Genesis creation story besides the 6 days and "God did it".

order of creation. the way in which the man was created. way in which the woman was created.

If it's true that all matter + all anti-matter = 0,
than God's creation force must be the force to split nothing into matter and anti-matter.

No. there's way more matter than anti matter.

[Saint Marcus]

I just don't believe that natural selection can do such a job in such a relative short period.

you call some 4 billion years a short period?

[Bosh]

Sadly, at least in the US, creationism is not a fringe movement. Traditionally about 10% of people believe in completely naturalistic evolution while the rest is split more or less evently between Young Earth Creationism and something evolutionish with divine intervention mixed in (not too much Old Earth Creationism anymore). Equally frightening is the fact that there is absolutely NO correlation between beliefs on evolution and level of education among members of conservative churches. It really surprising that creationism isn't more dominant than it is, I guess we've got to thank the lack of political involvement on the part of many of the most hardcore fundie churchs (JWs etc.).

[Saint Marcus]

in other words, many Americans are still having the same views (on this topic) as people had a century ago?

[Rogan Josh]

I don't understand why you say that it is frightening that there is no correlation between belief and education. Why should belief be dependent on education? One cannot (in principle) disprove even traditional creationism, so why is it 'wrong' for people to believe it?

In fact, my wife is a creationist. But she is the most qualified person that I know (ie. most degrees), including a PhD in physics.

[Gangerolf]

Have you seen any signs of creationism (aka creation science aka intelligent design) gaining currency in countries other than the United States? Are creationist magazines sold or given away in your country? Have creationist organizations held lectures (often, as I understand it, under the pretence of discussing evolutionary theory) or rallies? Have creationists pressured schools in your country to include creationism in science classes or to put disclaimers in biology texts?

No to all. (in Norway).

Norway is possibly the most atheist country in the civilised world. Thank God for that.

There are some weird sects however, like Smith's Friends and Jehova's Witnesses. I have no idea what they think about creationism though, and you seldom hear from them.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
I don't understand why you say that it is frightening that there is no correlation between belief and education. Why should belief be dependent on education? One cannot (in principle) disprove even traditional creationism, so why is it 'wrong' for people to believe it?

Why should one bother to disprove "traditional creationism" (whatever that is) when it has so far failed to establish itself?

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
In fact, my wife is a creationist. But she is the most qualified person that I know (ie. most degrees), including a PhD in physics.

Qualified in what? Physics, yes, evolution, no.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by CyberShy
But again, pherhaps it's totally different than we think.
Conclusion, I do not have a scientific theory on how God created this universe. I believe he's the one who did it though.

That's dispite the overwhelming evidence, and the fact that modern biology does not make sense without evolution.

Interesting stance.

[TheStinger]

If you asked every Biology PHD in the world what theory they thought was correct not many would say creationism (or whatever its called)

[Dauphin]

It seems to me that those who purport to believe in evolution often don't know what that entails. Highlighted by those who say things like "We are no longer evolving", or "We are the most highly evolved species".

[Boris Godunov]

Being a creationist is a yes or no proposition--you either believe a god created the universe or you do not believe it. So you are indeed a creationist, Cybershy.

The problem with the semantics here is that the debate is not using similar terms. Evolution doesn't deal with the origin of the universe, merely what we can observe scientifically about the changing species on our world.

So once can be a creationist who is pro-evolution, as I've met many (that is the current Catholic doctrine, I believe), and I'd say they constitute a strong majority among creationists. It does seem very difficult to me, however, that one could be both anti-creationism and anti-evolution.

[Sava]

I went out with a girl who was really hot, seemed really intelligent, and was fun to be with. Then one night, when we were drunk/stoned (I can't really remember which) she confessed how she deeply believed in creationism, Adam and Eve, etc. She also confessed to me how she believed all non-whites to be the creation of the devil.

It just goes to show there really isn't a difference between faith and fanaticism.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
That's dispite the overwhelming evidence, and the fact that modern biology does not make sense without evolution.

There id absolutely no proof that evolution (as in the origin of species) is correct. None. Zero. Nada.

I suppose it is just a form of brain-washing. It used to be that religious leaders were the most dominant figures in society, so they said how things were and people believed them. Now it is the media who (often very badly) interpret scientific findings and the population believe them unquestioningly.

BTW UR, do you have a PhD in evolution?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
It seems to me that those who purport to believe in evolution often don't know what that entails. Highlighted by those who say things like "We are no longer evolving", or "We are the most highly evolved species".

Just like most Christians, perhaps?

A lot of Christians who purport to follow Jesus's teachings does not know they are supposed to sell all their belongings, give the money to the poor, and renounce their family.