International creationism

[Roland]

"cool, you must be an arier as well!
You're a blond, blue eyes, and you feel superior as well?"

I fail to see the connection. Anyway, I'm darkhaired, green eyes, and feel superior over people who adhere to superstition.

"And the inquisition killed everybody who thought different."

Virgilius ? Hmm, they didn't kill him. When the inquisition got moving it was also the time that earth's shape was being rediscovered. The two issues are barely related.

"Pherhaps in 400 years people will laugh about those foolish 20th and 21th centuries, in which the most educated people and the big mass all believed in evolution."

Where did I say evolution is a dogma ?

[monkspider]

It's been my findings that Behe's studies have only been decisively affirmed in the years since he wrote "Black Box". I found the first link you posted to be utterly unconvincing, to say the least. But I suppose we each have our own biases UR.

I will try to read the other one tommorrow. For now I'm hitting the hay, good night Cyber, and good night UR you wacky evo-fundie you.

[Combat Ingrid]

I should add that I don't think people are silly/stupid if they don't "believe" in evolution.
It's only a scientific theory and can thus be proven to be wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of details about it that needs further study/discussion.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
I should add that I don't think people are silly/stupid if they don't "believe" in evolution.
It's only a scientific theory and can thus be proven to be wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of details about it that needs further study/discussion.

I will add I think they are

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Eventhough you're on his side, it wouldn't hurt you to agree with that. Like I agree with you if people like civnation are completely missing the issue. It would help me very well to take you more serious, if you can judge people on your own side as well. Think about that UR.

It's going to take several pages just to list some of the lies that Creationists have been throwing around even after they were exposed. I don't mean just hotly debated topics, but things that have been shown to be false. Things such as misquotes and scientific falsehoods.

[Urban Ranger]

/me refrains from making mincemeat out of monkspider

[monkspider]

One last post
I think there is an intrinistic need for the better part of the scientific community to explain the origin of life, regardless of the quality of the science behind formulating such a theory. Evolution simply filled this need. Even if the evidence for evolution was a lot worse than it currently is, there are those in science who would create whatever patchwork of evidence is nescarry to *make* it appear convincing, at least convincing to the masses. I think science is rather lucky in the regard that evolution has come off as well as it has. It could have been a lot worse. I suppose if it was we could have seen a lot more "Nebraska Man" and "Piltdown man" type incidents. I still wouldn't consider these parts of the scientific community to be all that lucky though.

[monkspider]

You can't make mincemeat of me UR, you love me.

[Urban Ranger]

Well monkie, evolution does not assert that it can explain the origin of life. So, it doesn't even try.

[Robert]

It's going to take several pages just to list some of the lies that Creationists have been throwing around even after they were exposed. I don't mean just hotly debated topics, but things that have been shown to be false. Things such as misquotes and scientific falsehoods.

Are you that silly or am I that inteligent?
If you don't want to debate something, don't write down your opinion on it, otherwise expect reactions.

That has nothing to do with how right or how wrong you are! If I'm right about the fact that balls are round, but I don't want to discuss the topic, the most stupid thing I can do is starting a thread like:

"Balls are round and everybody who thinks different is a completely ignorant and silly person but I don't want to discuss this topic"

Besides that, if you have an opinion, don't feel superior above others. And yes UR, in the middle ages, people of the flat earth theory thought simular to you.

Pherhaps you are right, but it's really absurd to feel superior. Your superior feeling makes it impossible for you to have an independant look at the issue, and makes you a fundamentalists. But you do'nt see it. You think you're the most wise and inteligent man on earth, and everybody who disagrees with you is a fool.

Everybody who's inteligent, has much knowledge and experience, but who thinks like that will hardly be respected and never be token serious but by the people who agree with him. But that's not hard, to be respected by people who did already agree with you.

Is that what you want?
You're much too smart for such an attitude Urban Ranger!
You've studied too much to be such a shortsighted fundamentalist. I do expect such things from trolls like Sava, but I expect some rationalism and wisdom from you

I really do.
Don't dissapoint me.

Take Roland, he reads my message, but he doesn't get the point. I wonder if he really doesn't understand it, or if he's just trying to get around it. It's not a hard message, it morely reads "watch out to not fall for the same mistakes people made in the past"

[Roland]

"watch out to not fall for the same mistakes people made in the past"

You obviously do not know the difference between throwing out a theory and proclaiming a theory as absolute truth.

[Robert]

Well monkie, evolution does not assert that it can explain the origin of life. So, it doesn't even try.

If you can't explain the origin of life, how can you explain the evolution of life?
HEY, we were not supposed to discuss this

YES, this is a good example of how you are not supposed to discuss.

[Robert]

You obviously do not know the difference between throwing out a theory and proclaiming a theory as absolute truth.

I know the difference,
but the message to you is: don't make the same mistakes.

You might be true while they were false, still you should not make the same mistakes. It's not that hard.

[Rogan Josh]

Here in my part of France/Switzerland I don't think I know many creationist, so it is definitely not widespread.

I personally believe something like evolution took place. I do, however, find it a little bit intellectually dishonest the way it is taught and portrayed. My impression is that the general populace derides anyone who doubts evolution - 'if they don't believe in evolution then they must be stupid'. I even see this attitude in schools where evolution is taught.

This is extremely unhealthy. The first rule of science is to doubt everything you are taught. Don't try and verify the really well established theories - try to bring them down. In fact, at the level that evolution is taught in schools (ie. pretty primative) no-one should be taking it for granted.

Of course, the doubters should be trying to establish some kind of scientific method to destroy evolution, not just saying it is wrong without any proof.

This overconfidence in current scientific thought is completely rife in today's society. I see it in almost every fireld. It is especially bad in the realm of high-energy/particle physics where the public believe anything they are told....

[Roland]

"You might be true while they were false, still you should not make the same mistakes. It's not that hard."

You still do not get that nowhere have I stated that evolution is an absolute truth. Evolution can be falsified, of course. It is just the most plausible theory we have at the moment, while creationism is superstition taking an old text of literature literally.