Should BCS Be Replaced By Playoffs? -- Guynemer's Proposal

[Ming]

It's actually the other way around... The Current BCS system is what makes College Football a joke. A playoff system will add to this great sport, and remove the money grubbing "taint" that has been attached by the BCS system.

[Drake Tungsten]

A playoff isn't going to do anything to remove the "taint" of greed from college football; it will just redirect the money from the current recipients (bowl commisioners and major conferences) to the equally corrupt NCAA. Your argument doesn't wash.

[DanS]

Taint of greed?!!

[Ming]

And please explain why a bunch of bowl commissioners should have any say at all on who the NCAA Division 1-A national champion is. A group of greedy men, who are in it exclusively for the money... and who have absolutely no association what so ever to the sport with the exception of acting as middlemen for the sake of money and not the sport. Yet THEY determine who gets to play and who doesn't.

Your agrument is the one that doesn't wash. It's time to remove this cancer from College football... not endorse it.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's time to remove this cancer from College football... not endorse it.

Cancer!?! Your rhetoric is reaching absurd levels of hyperbole now...

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


It wouldn't have mattered if the Huskers had gone into the Orange Bowl ranked #2. When you beat the #3 team in the country in your bowl, it looks a hell of a lot more impressive than beating whatever patsy the Pac 10 produces for the Rose Bowl. PSU being in the Big Ten is what screwed them, not some sort of pro-Osborne conspiracy. Once Nebraska beat Miami, there was no question that they should be #1.

So much for the rest of the regular season meaning anything. Am I the only one who sees a double standard being applied?

[Ming]

Ahhh... now you are reduced to arguing word selection vs addressing the argument.

The bowl system was put in place in the good ole days, when robber barons and monopolies ruled the day. Now, the other evils are gone, but the Bowls continue to survive. When they came under attack, they came up with the silly BCS system to insure their inflow of cash... and control over something they have no right to still be involved with. It's time to end this farce. It's time for the Colleges and the NCAA to take control of THEIR product again. They can continue to allow the Bowl Commitees to be a leach on the college football system by using their bowls for a playoff if they so desire... but it's time to take the power of selecting the teams out of the hands of people who have no right to even have a say in the matter.

Please answer why the bowl people should have a say in who is national championship... please explain to us your reasoning on this matter.

[Drake Tungsten]

So much for the rest of the regular season meaning anything. Am I the only one who sees a double standard being applied?

Pretty much. The double-standard must be in your mind, because I can't see it. Nebraska didn't win the title as a one-loss team; they went undefeated just like PSU and then beat a much more impressive opponent in the bowl. How does that lessen the importance of the regular season in any way?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

This one is too easy. Your hypothetical says plain and simple, if there was a #2 playing a #3 and won in the last bowl game of the year they deserve to be the champ regardless of what the #1 team did.

This puts the whole emphasis of the season on the last game of the season and negates the impact/accomplishment of the regular season.

And as long as the regular season is diminished to the point that you ascribe to it might as well be the starting point for a seeding process to allow a playoff.

Finally I realize the BCS matches the supposed #1 and #2 but it is an interesting insight into your mindset that lays all emphasis on the final game being the end all be all (pre BCS).

[Drake Tungsten]

Please answer why the bowl people should have a say in who is national championship... please explain to us your reasoning on this matter.

I don't believe that they do have a say anymore. The BCS picks the two best teams in the country based on the opinion polls and computer polls. There is no secret cabal of bowl commisioners deciding who plays for the national title.

You have a better case in regards to the other BCS bowls, but who really cares? As long as the title game is set up properly, I could really care less about the other BCS bowls.

In a perfect world, the 3-4, 5-6, and 7-8 BCS teams would be matched up in the BCS bowls, but that isn't going to happen. For example, tradition dictates that the Big Ten and Pac 10 champs should play in the Rose Bowl, if possible. While I don't have much respect for tradition, I can see why it's important to many people and I don't get to upset about a crap Big Ten team getting a shot at a BCS bowl over a more deserving team from another conference. As long as the title game is set up right, I'm content to go along with traditional matchups, even though I don't particularly like them.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
[While I don't have much respect for tradition, I can see why it's important to many people and I don't get to upset about a crap Big Ten team getting a shot at a BCS bowl over a more deserving team from another conference. As long as the title game is set up right, I'm content to go along with traditional matchups, even though I don't particularly like them.

Actually, I think you have too much respect for tradition as you seem dead set on maintaining a system that most others would like to have changed, if only to maintain the 'purity and sanctity' of college football.

[Drake Tungsten]

This puts the whole emphasis of the season on the last game of the season and negates the impact/accomplishment of the regular season.

No it doesn't. Nebraska and PSU had equally deserving regular seasons. The best case scenario would've been for them to play each other, but they couldn't because of the idiotic Big Ten tie-in to the Rose Bowl. So, there was no way to determine which team was better on the field. Nebraska beat the better team in the bowl and since that was the only real difference between Nebraska and PSU, that is what decided the national championship. It wasn't a good way to decide the title, but it was the only one available at the time. Luckily, the BCS has fixed this now.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I don't believe that they do have a say anymore.

Who is it that says only two teams get to play... The BCS that's who. They have the most important say of all. They are the ones that have decreed that we will use just one of our bowl games to determine the national champion... and the rest of the post season will be determinded by us. We decide who gets rewarded for how they played during the year... and if we dont' like how you did on the field, and we can make more money by ignoring deserving teams, we will do so.

It's the BCS that is decreeing that only two teams get a chance.

Yeah... they don't have say anymore... get real.

[Drake Tungsten]

Actually, I think you have too much respect for tradition as you seem dead set on maintaining a system that most others would like to have changed, if only to maintain the 'purity and sanctity' of college football.

My support for the current system has little to do with a respect for tradition. It is based on a respect for what makes college football unique and superior to other sports, namely a thrilling and vitally important regular season.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's the BCS that is decreeing that only two teams get a chance.

Yeah... they don't have say anymore... get real.

So now limiting the title game to two teams = determining the national champ? Please...

The only way that the BCS screws a team is if there are three quality unbeatens. We've been over ways to fix this without resorting to a playoff, but your so dead set on a playoff that you won't even consider ways to fix the current system. Why am I even debating you anymore?