Should BCS Be Replaced By Playoffs? -- Guynemer's Proposal

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

A playoff will always give undeserving teams a shot at the title, so I don't see how the guaranteed unfairness of a playoff is better than the theoretical unfairness of the BCS.

I guess it's a question of the degree of unfairness. A playoff will give undeserving teams a shot, true, but if they're undeserving, they'll probably lose anyway so it's not all that unfair. If they happen to win - well, I suppose it's somewhat unfair to the 'deserving' teams, but how deserving are they if they lose?

(Keeping the playoff as small as possible - as few as 4 teams in some years, as many as eight in others, or only a single title game if there are consensus undefeated #1 and #2 teams - would help eliminate the unfairness of the truly deserving teams being subjected to extra hurdles when they've proved themselves in the season.)

On the other hand, take this year for example. If Miami loses, then the BCS will have to pick one of about 3 or 4 1-loss teams to play for the title. If OSU wins that title game, no problem - they deserve to be #1, nothing unfair about that. The problem is if OSU loses the Fiesta, then you have 3 or 4 teams all arguing that they should have had the chance to play OSU and be #1. That, to me, is more unfair than the playoff would be.

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[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I see Ming and I agree again...

[Drake Tungsten]

You seem to think that a undefeated team that has to win a playoff to prove they are the best is unfair. What could possibly be unfair about asking a team to prove they are the best by winning?

It's unfair because it negates all of the hard work they put into going undefeated in the regular season. We should reward teams that achieve perfection in the regular season, not force them to prove themselves again against teams that couldn't achieve the same level of performance. The regular season should be the most important part of college football, not just a means of qualifying for the "real" season, ie: a playoff.

Keeping the playoff as small as possible - as few as 4 teams in some years, as many as eight in others, or only a single title game if there are consensus undefeated #1 and #2 teams - would help eliminate the unfairness of the truly deserving teams being subjected to extra hurdles when they've proved themselves in the season.

I like this idea. I don't think that it is feasible in real life, but I wouldn't be opposed to it.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I agree, it's unfeasible. Most ideas that everyone would agree with, are.

I can't see Bowl organizers being willing to wait until early December before finding out whether their particular Bowl will host a first round game in an 8 team playoff, or no playoff game at all.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
[It's unfair because it negates all of the hard work they put into going undefeated in the regular season. We should reward teams that achieve perfection in the regular season

Uhhhhh.... what if Bowling Green had gone undefeated...
Your BCS system would say... Screw you... we don't care about all your hard work... we dont' care that you went undefeated... your season means NOTHING to us, even though you are a 1 - A team, your season was irrelevent.

TALK AOBUT UNFAIR!

Sorry... you can't have it both ways.

Teams that have a perfect regular season SHOULD be rewarded for their efforts... they would be rewarded by being given a shot at the national title. And all they have to do is win on the field of battle to get it.

[Drake Tungsten]

Uhhhhh.... what if Bowling Green had gone undefeated...
Your BCS system would say... Screw you... we don't care about all your hard work... we dont' care that you went undefeated... your season means NOTHING to us, even though you are a 1 - A team, your season was irrelevent.

You can't seriously consider an undefeated Bowling Green season to be anywhere near as impressive as an undefeated season by Miami or Ohio State. When Bowling Green plays some real teams in non-conference, then they can have a legitimate shot at the title. Until then, I don't care how much they ***** about non-existant unfairness.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
[You can't seriously consider an undefeated Bowling Green season to be anywhere near as impressive as an undefeated season by Miami or Ohio State. When Bowling Green plays some real teams in non-conference, then they can have a legitimate shot at the title. Until then, I don't care how much they ***** about non-existant unfairness.

Your whole argument is based on keeping the regular season relevent... Yet you are telling like 50 teams that they shouldn't even bother to play the season because they are irrelevent... and that you don't care.

Your logic is faulty.

Fairness is making a team WIN to get a championship.
Unfairness is not even allowing teams to have a chance.

[Drake Tungsten]

Yet you are telling like 50 teams that they shouldn't even bother to play the season because they are irrelevent... and that you don't care.

They can easily make themselves relevant by playing a tough non-conference schedule. Just look at Fresno State last year; if they would've went undefeated they would have deserved a shot at the national title. So where's the unfairness? All you have to do is play a quality schedule to become relevant...

Your logic is faulty.

You wish.

[Ming]

No need to wish... you prove your faulty logic with every additional post you make.

First... you say you don't want to make the regular season irrelevent... yet the BCS does that to over a 1/3 of the teams in 1 - A.

Second... you say that hard work and perfection should be rewarded... and then you say that you don't care if Bowling Green works hard and goes undefeated...

Yeah... you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth... changing from one argument to another, depending on what corner you are backed into... contridicting yourself every chance you can get.

Most of the people that have voted realize how corrupt, unfair, and stupid the BCS system is. Your defense of it is getting desperate at best

[Drake Tungsten]

No need to wish... you prove your faulty logic with every additional post you make.

and then you say that you don't care if Bowling Green works hard and goes undefeated...

Bowling Green's "hard work"? That's a good one!

contridicting yourself every chance you can get.

I'd absolutely love to see an example of where I've contradicted myself. I've consistently stated that I believe that teams who go undefeated against a quality schedule are the only ones truly deserving of a shot at the national title. Just because I don't put the quality schedule bit in every post I make doesn't mean that it isn't still an integral part of my argument. Excuse me for thinking that people could accurately recall what my arguments are and have been...

Most of the people that have voted realize how corrupt, unfair, and stupid the BCS system is.

Most people are idiots. On the bright side, 23.68% of Apolytoners seem to still have a brain left...

[Peacemaker]

Let the riots begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

WOW what a game the Buckeyes are going to Tempe


There is no stoping the Buckeyes.


Go Bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In Tressel we trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ming]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I'd absolutely love to see an example of where I've contradicted myself. I've consistently stated that I believe that teams who go undefeated against a quality schedule are the only ones truly deserving of a shot at the national title. Just because I don't put the quality schedule bit in every post I make doesn't mean that it isn't still an integral part of my argument.

Your comments about keeping the regular season relevent... a classic example of how you contradict yourself... Again, you are supporting a system that makes over 1/3 of the teams in 1 - A totally irrelevent.

Oh... to look at the poll results in a different way... 68.5% (a clear majority) think you are wrong. So it's nice to see that a clear majority of the voters in this poll have a brain

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Ming
Your comments about keeping the regular season relevent... a classic example of how you contradict yourself... Again, you are supporting a system that makes over 1/3 of the teams in 1 - A totally irrelevent.

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
They can easily make themselves relevant by playing a tough non-conference schedule. Just look at Fresno State last year; if they would've went undefeated they would have deserved a shot at the national title. So where's the unfairness? All you have to do is play a quality schedule to become relevant...

So how exactly is the irrelevancy of Bowling Green and other crap teams the fault of the BCS and not their own scheduling?

More importantly, why do Bowling Green et al deserve a shot at the national title when their schedules are jokes? You must have something better than the "but they're a D-1 team" whine. The wide gap in talent in Division-1 makes this a rather unconvincing argument...

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

We need someone called 'Peacemaker' posting in this thread Very appropriate.

Split the difference, guys, go with my solution... it will bring peace in our time

Now, I'm off to the mideast...

[Ming]

Again... you are saying that these teams seasons are irrelevent... yet you claim the regular season should be relevent. You can't have it both ways