Should BCS Be Replaced By Playoffs? -- Guynemer's Proposal

[Drake Tungsten]

Again, I don't see how the importance of the regular season is lessened under my/Ming's proposal.

You honestly can't see how giving a three loss team a shot at the title lessens the importance of the regular season?

well I'd say that's a pretty compelling argument for being the best overall team in the country...

Not for the whole season. You'd be the best team at the end of the season, which isn't the same thing.

[Ming]

If a 2 or 3 loss team can beat an Undefeated team in a playoff game, what does that say about the strenght of that undefeated team

But I agree... out of all the suggestions, I still like the "pick the best 8 teams with 1 loss or less and let them play" idea the best. Then the worst case will be that the national champ has only one loss, and no team will be left undefeated, and it will still be proved on the field instead of on paper.

[Drake Tungsten]

If a 2 or 3 loss team can beat an Undefeated team in a playoff game, what does that say about the strenght of that undefeated team

A lot of things can happen over the course of a season. What if the undefeated team's star quaterback goes down right before the tourney? Are you really getting the best team in the country over the whole season or just the best team at the time of the playoff?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

If a 2 or 3 loss team can beat an Undefeated team in a playoff game, what does that say about the strenght of that undefeated team

A lot of things can happen over the course of a season. What if the undefeated team's star quaterback goes down right before the tourney? Are you really getting the best team in the country over the whole season or just the best team at the time of the playoff?

What if the 8-3 team's quarterback, went down with an injury, they lose 3 in a row, then he comes back and leads them to a win over the undefeated team?

They were the best, until their QB was lost for 3 games, don't they deserve it anyway?

ACK!

[Drake Tungsten]

They were the best, until their QB was lost for 3 games, don't they deserve it anyway?

No. They weren't the best team over the whole season.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

They were the best, until their QB was lost for 3 games, don't they deserve it anyway?

No. They weren't the best team over the whole season.

Then, by the same token, your undefeated team wasn't the best team either.

[Drake Tungsten]

Then, by the same token, your undefeated team wasn't the best team either.

How did I say that? Even with one loss, they still would have had a more deserving season than the 8-3 team did. If Nebraska beats Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, I would still rank OU over NU. One loss teams are more deserving than three loss teams.

[Jon Miller]

I like the coin flip idea

at the start of the season the teams are all ranked and analyzed

then some elaborate coin flipping takes place

until only one team is left, who is the winner

we can have 70 or more seasons a year even

and hte coin flipping can be televised, so no one misses the excitement

Jon Miller

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Then, by the same token, your undefeated team wasn't the best team either.

How did I say that? Even with one loss, they still would have had a more deserving season than the 8-3 team did. If Nebraska beats Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, I would still rank OU over NU. One loss teams are more deserving than three loss teams.

Sure, usually. But a team that lost to, say, ND, Miami, and Ohio State, is still, most likely, better than a team that lost to Utah State.

ACK!

[Ming]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten If Nebraska beats Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, I would still rank OU over NU. One loss teams are more deserving than three loss teams.

While I do hear where you are coming from... using the same logic, a team could lose the national championship game and still be Number one

[Drake Tungsten]

While I do hear where you are coming from... using the same logic, a team could lose the national championship game and still be Number one

You're damn right. And it should've happened in 1983!

Seriously though, in the rare occurence that a two loss team beats an undefeated team in the national title game, I would say that the two loss team deserves the title. One small exception in my logic...

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Then, by the same token, your undefeated team wasn't the best team either.

How did I say that? Even with one loss, they still would have had a more deserving season than the 8-3 team did. If Nebraska beats Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, I would still rank OU over NU. One loss teams are more deserving than three loss teams.

What I'm trying to say is that, you are willing to give that undefeated team an excuse of " we lost our QB!" while not giving that better 8-3 team the same excuse for losing 3 games.

[JohnT]

Drake, Miami won that game fair and square. Why should Nebraska be #1 after losing their last game of the season? As I've proven here in this thread, that sort of special treatment is only reserved for Notre Dame - others need not apply.

[Drake Tungsten]

What I'm trying to say is that, you are willing to give that undefeated team an excuse of " we lost our QB!" while not giving that better 8-3 team the same excuse for losing 3 games.

If my point came across that way, then I apologize. That isn't what I meant.

My point was that quality of play over the entire season is a much more accurate determiner of a team's quality than one game. The three loss team may win the playoff game, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were the better team over the whole season. Their three losses would seem to indicate otherwise, which is why I don't think they should be given a shot.

If you lose more than one game during the season, I don't want to see you get a chance at the national title. You didn't earn it.

[Drake Tungsten]

Drake, Miami won that game fair and square. Why should Nebraska be #1 after losing their last game of the season? As I've proven here in this thread, that sort of special treatment is only reserved for Notre Dame - others need not apply.

Here's a newsflash for you --- I was joking!

The fact that I argued against such a practice later in my post should've clued you in to that...