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  • #106
    But what it comes down to is MS donated, MS' competitors donated, Bush dismissed the possibility of breaking MS out because he's pro-big business.


    Bull****. You didn't even read the article I posted, did you? Bush let the case die for economic and political reasons, not because of his ideological views on the role of business. Show some political savvy for god's sake! Politics trump ideals every time inside the Beltway.
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    • #107


      Okay, Drake, by your logic Bill Gates could donate $500M to Bush for Bush to declare war on China, Russia, the UK, and Canada all for ****s and giggles.

      Bush was opposed to the trial before, and put an end to it during his reign. You also keep conveniently forgetting the competitor's donations.

      Oh well, Drake, I'm through with you.

      Bush isn't really pro-business, he did it because MS gave him some money. We'll just toss out the idea that the competitors donated even more collectively for a while so we can live in la-la land with our hands stretched far down our pants and a big smile on our face.

      yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
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      • #108
        So it remains obvious that you didn't read the article...

        What the hell is wrong with me? Why do I even talk to you about MS? I should know better; you're a god damn fanboy. It's like trying to convince Fez that Franco was really a piece of ****. Infuriating and utterly pointless.



        Good night.
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        • #109
          Rule #1 of internet forums: "Fanboy" is a word only used when someone wants to dismiss other people's arguments without valid reasons why they're doing it. Especially considering the argument is about Bush and politics, and you still keep dismissing me as an MS fanboy. Can you get any more obvious?

          Good night, Drake, I hope you feel more rational in the morning.

          (I did read the article, I'm still totally confused about why you think it proves the ONLY reason Bush did it was because he got some donation money like you asserted. But hey, maybe in your world...)
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          • #110
            I did read the article, I'm still totally confused about why you think it proves the ONLY reason Bush did it was because he got some donation money like you asserted. But hey, maybe in your world...)


            It said that there were two reasons for Bush's decision: economic considerations and political concerns. It said nothing about Bush's ideological views being a factor, which you seem to think was the real reason for the end of the case. Of course you're always right, so Bush must've done it for ideological reasons, despite what anyone else may think.

            Good night, Drake, I hope you feel more rational in the morning.


            Very Fez-like quote there. Maybe my analogy is more accurate than I previously believed.
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            • #111
              Everyone's free to their opinion, Drake, but there is no evidence in the world that supports your assertion that Bush did it only for the money. Deal with that already and cut your losses.

              And I must say that your posts tonight remind me of Wiglaf.......
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              • #112
                And I must say that your posts tonight remind me of Wiglaf.......




                I think my link to CNN is more than enough to disprove that theory...

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                • #113
                  More information on donations:

                  AOL-TimeWarner (one of the principle backers of the MS anti-trust suit): http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summ...OL+Time+Warner

                  Microsoft: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summ...Microsoft+Corp

                  AOL-TW's donations since 1990: $12,195,822

                  MS: $9,468,287

                  What's particularly stunning is the evidence of just how apolitical MS was until the anti-trust suits. Look at the timeline. Compare that to what AOL was spending at the same time, and is it a wonder why this whole case came about?

                  (It's funny that the American Federation of Teachers donated $15,512,224 since 1990 alone, AT&T's $17.5M)
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                  • #114
                    Oh, so convenient to ignore facts.

                    Should I remind you of the 1995 consent decree between the DoJ and MS, and how blatantly MS violated it?

                    You don't pull wool over our eyes.
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                    • #115
                      /me wonders what UR is talking about, since we were never talking about the consent decree, let alone say that MS didn't violate it.
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                      • #116
                        For anybody interested, here is a timeline of the MS antitrust case from Washington Post. (Damn lefties frothing at their mouths, eh?)
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by Asher
                          * Asher wonders what UR is talking about, since we were never talking about the consent decree, let alone say that MS didn't violate it.
                          Oh, playing dumb. It doesn't help.

                          I distinctly recall this:

                          . . .is it a wonder why this whole case came about?
                          But thanks for admitting that MS has been flagrantly breaking laws.
                          (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                          (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                          (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                          • #118
                            That reminds me...

                            March 9 – Sun Microsystems sues rival Microsoft for choking off distribution of it's Java programming language.
                            Good ol' Sun -- they seem to think that MS should bundle their products with Windows because they say so.

                            Java was being shipped with Windows until Sun brought litigation upon MS for modifying it slightly. The solution: Don't ship it at all.

                            Lo and behold Sun bursts into tears crying it's not fair. Tough ****, C# is here to replace Java. Good job Sun.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                              Oh, playing dumb. It doesn't help.

                              I distinctly recall this:
                              And where do you think the consent decree came from, genius?

                              But thanks for admitting that MS has been flagrantly breaking laws.
                              I've never once said they hadn't broken any laws. In fact I believe I've mentioned several times things like how they've handled OEM licensing should have been halted long ago.

                              But that's not the point -- every company and every person breaks the law too.

                              Have you ever jaywalked?

                              And I won't go into AOL-TW, since that rapsheet would crash the servers.
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                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #120
                                Again, completely ignoring that fact the the court ruled in favour of Sun, and MS had to issue a new JVM.

                                (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                                (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                                (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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