The worse U.S. President

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Boshko
Hmmmmm, can't believe nobody's mentioned Grand, the blatantly incompetant alcoholic presided over the most corrupt administration ever...

The guy who started the thread likes him, so you're not allowed to vote for him.

[Du_Chateau]

Originally posted by loinburger

For starters: Grant had an incredibly corrupt/incompetent administration, second only to the Harding administration and perhaps the Nixon administration

You have a case there because I was not sure to include him or not.

JFK began the Vietnam conflict

Again JFK only sent military advisors to South Vietnam. LBJ was the president that escalated the Vietnem Conflict.

Wilson was unabashedly racist

Again what does racist have to do with being a bad president. Also see my rebutements of reconstruction and Jim Crow Laws.

Reagan broke the back of the unions and set back the labor movement

Maybe one of the conservatives can answer this more than I can about what was so good about Reagan that outweigh his bad.

Lincoln abused the Constitution.

Lincoln also preserved the union and ended slavery.

I will be the first one to admit that I do not know why I put Martin Van Buren, John Q. Adams, and Benjarmin(sp.) Harrisson on the poll.

[Giancarlo]

I will just post this link about Reagan... discuss it amongst yourselves... I got to finish this essay...

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-261.html

I like Reagan... and he is one of my favorites...

[Timexwatch]

Out of Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr,
Carter has been the most ineffectual and poorest performing all around. Not to disparage this other achievements, but he would've been better suited to be a minister than a politician.

[DRoseDARs]

Although George W. Bush is not there yet...he is certainly trying his damnedest to be the worst.

Let's jeer him on!

[Odin]

Originally posted by Timexwatch
Out of Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr,
Carter has been the most ineffectual and poorest performing all around. Not to disparage this other achievements, but he would've been better suited to be a minister than a politician.

NO BASHING MR. NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.

[molly bloom]

Nixon:

ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST RICHARD M. NIXON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOURS.

Article 1: Obstruction of Justice.

In his conduct of the office of the President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his subordinates and agents in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede and obstruct investigations of such unlawful entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities. '

And that's without the illegal bombing of Cambodia, and political repression at home. Anyone remember no knock?


(July) 1973

The Drug Enforcement Agency is established.
President Nixon sets up a "superagency" to handle all aspects of the drug problem. The DEA consolidates agents from the BNDD, Customs, the CIA and ODALE and is headed by Myles Ambrose. It becomes known for its use of "cowboy" law enforcement tactics that stretch the limits of the Fourth Amendment, including no-knock warrants, IRS audits, and wire taps.

[King of Rasslin]

I'm not using "Jap" as a derogatory term, that's just what they were called back then! I saw an old newspaper that said "Japs Bomb Pearl Harbor" as a headline. Jap is just a short term for Japanese.

[Frankychan]

Sorry, my bad. That's what tense I thought you were using.

My fault for jumping to conclusions and getting all riled up.

[Kepler]

Buchanon for fiddling while Rome burned.

Nixon should get a vote for trashing the Constitution, but his foreign policy outside of Southeast Asia was a strength.

Reagan should get a vote for bringing back the plutocracy, bankrupting the middle class, and setting back race relations 20 years, but it's too early to tell whether his damage is lasting or just a forgettable hiccup.

A special award to the Gilded Age period, for worst everything from Presidents to Supreme Courts to Congresses.

[Timexwatch]

Originally posted by Odin


NO BASHING MR. NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.

Why not? I said his postpresidency activties not withstanding, he was, at most, impotent as a President.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Frankychan
I hope your not using "Jap" in a derogatory tone or else.



As for your comment of "them" being unstabe and having mental issues....

The military were the ones who wanted war. The Emperor was against it. To say that "they" are unstable and possessing mental issues is like me saying that you are a bigot who doesn't know anything.

My accusation does not hold ground and neither does yours.

I agree completely that KoR is an a-hole for using that racial epithet. He does seem to be trolling, so we can hope that he doesn't actually believe that crap he wrote.

As for Hirohito, what you are stating about him is generally considered propoganda created after the war in an effort to rehabilitate him and indeed to keep him from a trial and execution like Tojo. There is a lot of evidence that he gave the green light to the military willingly, though he may not have been consulted before every massacre and war crime (and there were many) committed by Japanese forces.

[Sikander]

As my knowledge of 19th century U.S. presidents is not the best, I'll have to give a qualified vote to JFK. Drug-addicted, sex-addicted, brought the use of assassination as a tool of U.S. Foreign policy into the arsenal (and used it more than any other president), started down the road to Vietnam, slept with a known Soviet spy, brought the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. to the brink of nuclear war over a trifle, which ultimately led to the downfall of the relatively moderate Khruschev regime and the return of Stalinist leadership in the Soviet Union for another 25 years. In addition he brought the notion of a president as a television personality and even a sex symbol into being, assuring that the general decline in literacy and civic awareness and the increase in triviality brought on by television would be extended into politics with a vengeance. Also, he was lukewarm on civil rights, and corrupt. Definitely the worst president in my lifetime.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Timexwatch
Why not? I said his postpresidency activties not withstanding, he was, at most, impotent as a President.

Aren't you forgetting his contributions to civil rights? (which were practically erased by Reagan)

[Odin]

Originally posted by Sikander
As my knowledge of 19th century U.S. presidents is not the best, I'll have to give a qualified vote to JFK. Drug-addicted, sex-addicted, brought the use of assassination as a tool of U.S. Foreign policy into the arsenal (and used it more than any other president), started down the road to Vietnam, slept with a known Soviet spy, brought the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. to the brink of nuclear war over a trifle, which ultimately led to the downfall of the relatively moderate Khruschev regime and the return of Stalinist leadership in the Soviet Union for another 25 years. In addition he brought the notion of a president as a television personality and even a sex symbol into being, assuring that the general decline in literacy and civic awareness and the increase in triviality brought on by television would be extended into politics with a vengeance. Also, he was lukewarm on civil rights, and corrupt. Definitely the worst president in my lifetime.

Thats bulls!it, you've ben reading too many tabloids.