The worse U.S. President

[orange]

LBJ should not be held responsible for Vietnam. It was clearly building up, and Gulf of Tonkin tricked him into going to war. You know he didn't want to.

Re: Wilson
Racism alone does not make you a bad president. LBJ for instance was a major racist in his words and speech, but look at what he tried to do about poverty and he did rule during the most powerful times of the civil rights movement...as long as you don't apply Racism to your actions, it matters not what you think of other races.

It's like saying Madison was a bad president becuase he was too short.

I would have said Reagan, but since he's not up there I put George W. Bush...he's certainly climbing the charts. If this war goes through, he'll be #1 in my eyes, with Reagan trailing closebehind.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Du_Chateau
What I confirmed is true it is becoming a Clinton - Bush battle instead of something more interesting.

Current events are usually more interesting than ancient history. This is especially true when it comes to rating somebody's excellence, since presentism makes it extremely difficult to rate the excellence of historical figures the farther back you go.

Also anyone who says that Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, TR, Wilson, FDR, JFK, or Reagan will need strong proof to convince me that they were generally bad presidents.

For starters: Grant had an incredibly corrupt/incompetent administration, second only to the Harding administration and perhaps the Nixon administration; JFK began the Vietnam conflict; Wilson was unabashedly racist; Reagan broke the back of the unions and set back the labor movement; Lincoln abused the Constitution. While I personally like some of these presidents, I wouldn't have been so arrogant as to leave them off of a poll given what I knew of many posters' opinions regarding them -- or, I would have titled the thread "Presidents that I don't like" and unashamedly left many unloved Presidents (who I personally liked) off of the poll.

W.H. Harrisson? He was only president for a month and mostly confined to bed because of Pnuemonia(sp.)

Exactly. He was sick as hell.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


source?

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/03/07/bush.corporations/index.html

Not directly saying that but saying something different...

In other comments to reporters, the president has expressed anger about the collapse of Enron, suggesting that investors were not given all the facts, and citing how his mother-in-law lost about $8,000 in her Enron investment.

Can anybody find me an article on campagin donations that Enron makes? I have to type up an essay.

[NeOmega]

yes, would have been much more interesting without Bush and Clinton in there...... especially Bush 2, in fact, the question asks who was the worst president. Seeing how bush is in office, he could only be the worst.

[Giancarlo]

I wonder why people think so poorly of Bush Jr... oh yeah this is apolyton...

[Vlad Antlerkov]

Buchanan (James, not Pat-- Pat would probably be worse), mainly for just sitting on his arse while the Union disintegrated.

IMHO, both Wilson and Eisenhower could have pre-empted Vietnam (the former by granting "self-determination" to at least Indochina, the latter by backing Ho Chi Minh and trying to turn him against Russia-- or at least installing someone more competent than Diem).

[Giancarlo]

The French could have pre-empted the whole Vietnam crisis.

BTW, Diem was a dictator... he was cruel... there was one famous picture of one of his secret police agents pointing a gun at somebody's head. Not competent?

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by King of Rasslin
Truman nuked the dirty Japs because they attacked us first without any provocation- kinda like the sniper now. They were unstable and had mental issues, and it took a nuke to straighten them up. A lot of people were killed, sure, but it taught the rest of Japan a priceless lesson- don't mess with the US!

I hope your not using "Jap" in a derogatory tone or else.



As for your comment of "them" being unstabe and having mental issues....

The military were the ones who wanted war. The Emperor was against it. To say that "they" are unstable and possessing mental issues is like me saying that you are a bigot who doesn't know anything.

My accusation does not hold ground and neither does yours.

*END THREADJACK*

If I had another option, i'd pick Bush II.

[Giancarlo]

The Japanese could not revolt against the military dictatorship it was living under... not even the Emperor could.

[Lincoln]

Bill Clinton takes the cake. If I loaned him $20 I would not trust him to return it and to think he was trusted with the presidency. He would probably make a good comedian though...

[Duddha]

Hey! Where is Reagen!

[Frankychan]

that's what I'm saying Fez, he's saying that Nihongin society was mentally unstable. WTF is that?

The military just needed the Emperor to approve of the war, even though he didn't want it.

[Bosh]

Hmmmmm, can't believe nobody's mentioned Grant, the blatantly incompetant alcoholic presided over the most corrupt administration ever...

[Odin]

Worst: Reagan, he was a nationalist, religious freako
#2: Adams, Alien & Sedition acts

Best: FDR, he got us out of the Depression and lead the world through WWII
#2: Andrew Jackson, made the government even more democratic.

[Giancarlo]

Boshko, I forgot about Grant... the fool pardoned himself everytime he got drunk, and appointed highly incompetent friends to high positions. He was a good general but a horrible president.