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It is done...Dutch right wing governement collapses
Don't get me wrong, I like the SP a lot. the only reason why I'm voting for Groenlinks is cause they have a shot at getting the governement, the SP never will (unless they change course).
Originally posted by Hueij editted by Germanos in Italics
Okay then, here goes, from left to right:
SP, Socialistische Partij (Socialist Party). Relatively new party with some good old socialist ideas. Socialists in the traditional sence
GL, Groen Links (Green Left). An '80's fusion of the Communist Party, the Pacifist Socialist Party and the Radical Party (which was a split of of the now ceased Catholic Peoples Party). They grew tremendously the last 12 years and now they are considered government-"faehig". To get there they took a huge turn to the center. very similar to the German Green Party. Socialists ideals mixed with emphasis on environmental issues
PvdA, Partij van de Arbeid (Workers Party) Labor Party. Originally what the name says, now a just-slightly center-left party. Very similar to the Britsh Labor Party and German Social Democrats. In fact, both Blair and Schroeder acknoledge that their respective parties made the switch to 'New Labor' was heavily inspired by the PvdA transition and the concequetive piviting role the PvdA had in Dutch politics for the last 12 years
In the focus of political power for eight years but were pretty beaten up last elections. Still struggling. I was a member a long time ago but left when they gave up too much in return for a government position.
D66, Democraten 66 (Democrats 66). Founded in the roaring '60s, center left liberals, almost dead now.
CDA, Christen Democratisch Appel (Christian Democratic somethingAppeal). Center right, formed out of the three old Catholic and Protestant parties. In government since the Exile from Eden but in decline since the '70's and not in the government for the last 8 years. But somehow they were the big winners of the last elections . Will certainly be the big shot in any new government.
VVD, Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie (Peoples [yeah, right] Party for Freedom and Democracy). Calls itself liberal but are conservative when economics are concerned. I don't agree: Liberal economics. They pursue abondonment of all State-owned companies as: National Gas, National Railways etc. Social securitry in Private Hands etc. Minimal State influence in practically everything. No budget deficits allowed to counter economic resession.
CU, Christen Unie (Christian Union). Fusion of two small Christian parties. For fundies they are kind of liberal but only just. only very, very just
SGP, Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij ( costitutional (?) Reformation Party). Christian fundies. No women members allowed!! Very small. the votes of the women are allowed though . Their husbands do the voting for them. Most important issue: it is God that is our King and Ruler. Unfortunately there needs to be rule on Earth too. Hence they feel they are allowed to participate in politics (although reluctantly), hence the 'Staatkundig/constitutional' in the Title. Their politicians refuse to give interviews on TV. It's an instrument of the devil. For some strange reason Radio is OK. [EDIT] I wasn't sure, but thanks to St. Markus who pointed out their website: This is a Calvinistic Party. Reformist then not in the Lutherian sence, but in the Calvinistic sence: DOOM DOOM DOOM. Fundamentalistic in the true sence: All nonbeleivers are doomed, and selfdetermination is out of the question. All should bow to God and Christ. The Book sais it all. ("god made us all to be just like him. So if we are dumb, then God is dumb." Frank Zappa[/EDIT]
Hueij left out one Party that might be the surprise of the next election:
LN : Leefbaar Nederland (Livable (lifable? Live-able??) Nederland: now rather obscure new party that has firm roots in municipal/local politics. Various 'Leefbaar' Parties have had some influence (that means governing) in local politics over the years. This years elections they sort of united to bring their plea (basically: power closer to the people) to the national party. In the local elections (held shortly before the general elections) they also sort of united by adopting the 'Leefbaar' name, while before that they would have all kind of names giving expression to their bond with the local politics.
They looked to make a good showing in the general elections, until they decided to make Pim Fortuyn their leader. This scheme soon fell apart, and Pim Fotuyn, dismissed from LN, founded his now infamous LPF.
(a small note on Pim Fortuyn: he had the reputation that said: where Pim enters, a fight breaks out. How profetic)
With the scandal on Fortuyn leaving the LN, he took most voters with him. Many voters might well return if the LN gets its act together.
A bunch of wacko right-wing fascist and neo-nazi parties, slowly dying out. when was the last time they got a seat in parlement? two terms ago IIRC.
NB: in the Netherlands it is enough to get 1/150% of the votes to get elected.
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Dunno if it's left or right, but we also have the LPF, Lijst Pim Fortuyn (List Pim Fortuyn). Founded by the gay baldhead with the same name that had wacky ideas and was murdered. His heirs totally ****ed up and are now the laughing stock of Dutch politics. We won't be hearing from them from now on.
the LPF was definitely conservative. Pim Fortuyn was harder to pinpoint, especially since he was as slippery as an ale ('zo glad als een paling in een emmer met snot'), and would feel very comfortable in changing his views drastically (a 180 degree turn was his favorite) if met with strong, and well-founded opposition
Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Don't get me wrong, I like the SP a lot. the only reason why I'm voting for Groenlinks is cause they have a shot at getting the governement, the SP never will (unless they change course).
The SP is likely to beat Groen Links at the next election.
(16 seats... )
Originally posted by Saint Marcus
cybershy: you still didn't explain why the greens are liars...
Hij houdt niet van hen enkel.
Edit: Crappy Translators.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
some points from the program of the SGP, from their website:
no more gay marriage
no more adoption for gay couples
prostitution made illegal
people visiting hookers should be prosecuted
pornography made illegal
abortion forbidden
test on the option of abortion forbidden
euthanasia made illegal
IVF made illegal
cloning forbidden
softdrugs made illegal
closing of all "coffeeshops"
closing of all casinos
gambling made illegal
Palestinian people a direct threat to the Israeli state
shops closed on sundays
Originally posted by Saint Marcus
still won't get them in the governement, not even in a left wing coalition.
If you are so insistant of voting for a party that will join the government, your choice should vote CDA. 95 % succes guaranteed.
It is just soch a stupid reason to cast your vote. Nobody thought fortuyn would make it, yet he, ot better said his memory, did it.
Rosenmuller has overstayed his time in politics: his last chance was 4 years ago, and he failed to cash in on his popularity. Things have been going downhill ever since. It is time he calles his quites. Groen Links has losts its momentum, and only a new and fresh political leader will be able to turn the tide. Rosenmuller's tactics are looking archaic by now.
Groen Links will loose it's chance of having influence in any Government if they stick to Rosenmuller. It is either Groen Links with a strong 'Green' Program that will change the course this country will take, or an D'66 style excuse party to get a parliament mayority to a PvdA-CDA government.
My prediction: Groen Links will loose a third of its votes in the next election. Rosenmullers hollow rethoric will kill the movement. I am truly sorry for it. Environmentalism deserved better.
Any reason why we even want to see Groen Links being part of the government? If they do that they won't survive the elections after that.
some points from the program of the SGP, from their website:
no more gay marriage
no more adoption for gay couples
prostitution made illegal
people visiting hookers should be prosecuted
pornography made illegal
abortion forbidden
test on the option of abortion forbidden
euthanasia made illegal
IVF made illegal
cloning forbidden
softdrugs made illegal
closing of all "coffeeshops"
closing of all casinos
gambling made illegal
Palestinian people a direct threat to the Israeli state
shops closed on sundays
My party!!
Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
And notifying the next of kin
Once again...
the only reason why I'm voting for Groenlinks is cause they have a shot at getting the governement, the SP never will (unless they change course).
. Will certainly be the big shot in any new government.
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if you made that claim about D66, I could understand. but GL is doing quite well, and is up in the polls.
good one!!
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