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  • #76
    Marcus: Please don't start using personal arguments like the Giancarlo thing. Let's focus on the content.

    If that's your argument, then why do you like the SP better? Their plans are way "worse" than those of GL. Did you read the SP alternative budget?


    Well, I said that I respect MArijnesse more while I totally disagree with him. Rosenmuller and van Nieuwehoven are using the big-mouth politics. Very personal attacks and all that. Compare them with ie. Wouter Bos and Marijnesse, than I do indeed like the latter two more. But indeed, GL would be better as a governamental party than the SP. Pherhaps I said different before, than I take that back.

    About 'why greens are bad but not in Germany',
    most of the time parties like the green parties chill out when starting to become part of the coalition. Take Fischer in Germany, he's a very wise man who saw that much of his ideas got no change. A part of his electoral even hates him for that.

    That's what I think that will happen with parties like GL and CU when they do become a part of the coalition. They'll temper.

    awfully short sighted. just because the PvdA and SP are both leftwing doesn't mean they are similar.


    That's not what I said, that they are simulair.
    It's that the SP is more extreme than the PvdA.
    That's becuase the PvdA has to make compromisses to take part in the coalition while the SP doesn't have to do that.

    Of course they're not the same, and they even have completely different programs. But in some way they are on the same line, but one of them goes far further while the other one is much more tempered.

    So is it with the CU and the CDA.

    And yes, I read their programs. Of all parties.
    Formerly known as "CyberShy"
    Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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    • #77
      if I read your post correctly, you'd srespect the Greens more if they get in the governement (because they'll mellow down)?
      Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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      • #78
        anyway, we are like Italy. this is the second governement that has collapsed within a year (Paars 2 cause of the Srebrenica report, Balkenende 1 cause of the LPF).
        Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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        • #79
          I think GL will mellow down if they become a part of the governament indeed. But I wonder if Rosenmuller will be 'as wise' as Fischer.

          Our politics is very 'italian' these days indeed
          But I expect things to settle down after the next elections. There might be 1 or 2 'small parties' who'll be fighting all the time, but who cares about them?
          Formerly known as "CyberShy"
          Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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          • #80
            Veeleesanas

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Post Count Zero
              Veeleesanas
              Wablief?

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              • #82
                I thought that Dutch was banned.
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                • #83
                  stop the threadjacking dd.

                  I think GL will mellow down if they become a part of the governament indeed.
                  So it would be a good thing if they got in the governement, not? They'd mellow down, and you'd get more respect for them

                  But I wonder if Rosenmuller will be 'as wise' as Fischer.
                  Probably. Most dutch politicians, and citizens, think very highly of Rosenmuller and praise him for his political experience and debating skills. That doesn't mean he'll make a good minister, but even if GL gets in a coalition, Rosenmuller might just stay as "fractievoorzitter" just like Zalm is doing now.
                  Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                  • #84
                    fractievoorzitter

                    Naughty naughty...

                    The moment Green-Left joins a government the party will collaps and split into its original factions, the Communists, the Pacifists and the Radicals. It would be a great boost for the Socialist Party though! (And thus also for Agnes Kant )

                    Mijn twee Eurocenten...
                    Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                    And notifying the next of kin
                    Once again...

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                    • #85
                      can someone please give me a run-down of all the parties, all the acronyms are confusing poor Boshko...
                      Stop Quoting Ben

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Boshko
                        can someone please give me a run-down of all the parties, all the acronyms are confusing poor Boshko...
                        I would, but it would mean a lot of Dutch words and I don't want to get banned...
                        Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                        And notifying the next of kin
                        Once again...

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                        • #87
                          ok, then at least what do all the parties stand for? I gather that VVD is liberal and CU is fundy but what's PvdA, some kind of center-left?
                          Stop Quoting Ben

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Boshko
                            ok, then at least what do all the parties stand for? I gather that VVD is liberal and CU is fundy but what's PvdA, some kind of center-left?
                            Okay then, here goes, from left to right:

                            SP, Socialistische Partij (Socialist Party). Relatively new party with some good old socialist ideas.

                            GL, Groen Links (Green Left). An '80's fusion of the Communist Party, the Pacifist Socialist Party and the Radical Party (which was a split of of the now ceased Catholic Peoples Party). They grew tremendously the last 12 years and now they are considered government-"faehig". To get there they took a huge turn to the center.

                            PvdA, Partij van de Arbeid (Workers Party). Originally what the name says, now a just-slightly center-left party. In the focus of political power for eight years but were pretty beaten up last elections. Still struggling. I was a member a long time ago but left when they gave up too much in return for a government position.

                            D66, Democraten 66 (Democrats 66). Founded in the roaring '60s, center left liberals, almost dead now.

                            CDA, Christen Democratisch Appel (Christian Democratic something). Center right, formed out of the three old Catholic and Protestant parties. In government since the Exile from Eden but in decline since the '70's and not in the government for the last 8 years. But somehow they were the big winners of the last elections . Will certainly be the big shot in any new government.

                            VVD, Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie (Peoples [yeah, right] Party for Freedom and Democracy). Calls itself liberal but are conservative when economics are concerned.

                            CU, Christen Unie (Christian Union). Fusion of two small Christian parties. For fundies they are kind of liberal but only just.

                            SGP, S...?? Gereformeerde Partij (....?? Reformation Party). Christian fundies. No women members allowed!! Very small.

                            A bunch of wacko right-wing fascist and neo-nazi parties, slowly dying out.

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                            Dunno if it's left or right, but we also have the LPF, Lijst Pim Fortuyn (List Pim Fortuyn). Founded by the gay baldhead with the same name that had wacky ideas and was murdered. His heirs totally ****ed up and are now the laughing stock of Dutch politics. We won't be hearing from them from now on.

                            Hope this helps...
                            Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                            And notifying the next of kin
                            Once again...

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                            • #89
                              The moment Green-Left joins a government the party will collaps and split into its original factions, the Communists, the Pacifists and the Radicals.
                              It worked in Germany, it can work here too
                              Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                              • #90
                                I would, but it would mean a lot of Dutch words and I don't want to get banned...
                                ach...
                                Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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