200 Australians missing in Bali Blast

[Case]

Originally posted by Ned
Does Australia have the death penalty?

No.
Anyway, as the crime happened in Indonesia, anybody caught and put on trial for this will be subject to Indonesian, not Australian law

[Ned]

Why? This is not mere murder, but a crime against humanity and/or a war crime. Surely Australian nationals were a target of the crimes giving Australia jurisdiction to prosecute. if the Begians can prosecute Sharon in Belgium for war crimes committed in Lebanon against Palestinians, surely Australia can try al Qaida perps in Australia.

Of course, Indonesia should also have a shot, perhaps the first shot, at al conviction.

[Alexander's Horse]

The Indons have jurisdiction. We have an extradition treaty with them but the crimes weren't committed in Australia so we can't prosecute. Indonesia has the death penalty. I'm not sure if terrorist incidents like this fall under the definition of crime against humanity.

I doubt the Indons will bring any local masterminds to justice - maybe a few patsies. If they find local ring leaders its more likely the Indonesian military will just kill them quietly in case they talk about any separate links they may have to the Indon military - like over the recent fighting between muslims and christians in Ambon.

[Ned]

AH, will Australia join the Indonesian military on any assault on al Qaida bases in Indonesia? If I were your PM, I'd certainly want some payback.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ned
AH, will Australia join the Indonesian military on any assault on al Qaida bases in Indonesia? If I were your PM, I'd certainly want some payback.

Well we're not into revenge.

And Al Qaida doesn't have bases in Indonesia as far as we know.

Indonesia is under pressure however to crack down on local groups that are sympathetic to terrorism and may have been involved.

[Lincoln]

"Well we're not into revenge."

Have you ever heard the difference between a liberal and a conservative? Clue: A conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged.

I am not sure but I would think that many of the people who were personally affected by this wouldn't object to a little well placed revenge.

[Boris Godunov]

Lincoln, you seem to be saying the conservative idea of justice is revenge.

That is shockingly un-Christian of you [insert Claude Raines voice here]. Revenge has no place in a fair justice system. Justice has nothing to do with revenge, or at least it shouldn't. Leave vengeance to the petty.

[Lincoln]

I think that revenge is part pf human nature. I try to resist the urge myself but I have noticed that it is a greater temptaion when one is personally effected. But you are right, it is un-Christian.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Lincoln
"Well we're not into revenge."

Have you ever heard the difference between a liberal and a conservative? Clue: A conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged.

I am not sure but I would think that many of the people who were personally affected by this wouldn't object to a little well placed revenge.

Well obviously I can't speak on behalf of the nation but the mood seems to be more sadness than anger and more a desire for justice rather than revenge. Though most people would doubt the perpetrators will ever be caught and punished.

Come to think of it, I haven't heard a single angry comment from either survivors or relatives, though I'm sure there's been some. Most people are just grieving, in shock and numb.

You see, the way most Australians see the rest of the world is it's totally screwed up and there's not a damn thing you can do about This attack just confirms that view.

[Lincoln]

It sounds like my kind of country.

[Docfeelgood]

Once the shock wears off then probably the anger will fill the void.




We tell our children that there is no such thing as monsters.

Only a monster could do such a thing.

We have a sniper going around shooting people.......or should say "monster" going around shooting people.

[Alexander's Horse]

The trouble is we're still in the middle of the emergency, there's over 180 bodies in the hospital morgue up there, which can't cope, and most of them can't be identified. There's over 200 Australians missing and a lot of local Balinese have also been killed or injured. There's a lot of sympathy here for the Balinese people. There's a close relationship. Balinese in the streets are apologising to Aussies and saying "please come back" They are probably more screwed than anyone by this.

[Docfeelgood]

like a ripple effect....... sorta lator it will "ripple" back to the people that did this crime.


I have allways believed in that saying " what comes around goes around".


Fate has a way of "getting even" even tho none is felt in the heart.

That is how I deal with it



Don't try

(Only a simple minded person like myself can understands any of what I just said)

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Well we're not into revenge.

And Al Qaida doesn't have bases in Indonesia as far as we know.

Australian television showed video footage last night purporting to show an Al Qaeda training camp in Sulawesi- the usual paramilitary stuff, unarmed combat exercises, and so forth. Also, the Indonesian cleric being fingered as having links with the bombing says the bombings in Bali were down to the Americans, trying to convince the Indonesian government to crack down on his party and movement. It does seem as though this cleric has been enjoying some kind of protection through association with Indonesia's vice-president- who 'coincidentally' heads Indonesia's largest Muslim party...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2014740.stm

[DanS]

Yes, here is a good artice on similar links...

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1033849028650&p=1012571727092

Blaming the States for this is plain dumb. It screams "I am a terrorist."