The ivory tower intellectual vs the man on the street

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by David Floyd

They are not likely to recognize the concept of self-evident natural rights,

Because there is no such thing.

[Frankychan]

I think you are largely correct. Our system right now seems to try and distribute power, but the legislative branch seems to fall more and more under the sway of the executive branch, when in fact it's supposed to keep it's power in check.

That's what's wrong with our government. That, and Bush seems to be power-mad.

[David Floyd]

Because there is no such thing.

Whatever.

franky,

Yes, and also the Judicial Branch seems to be falling under Executive Branch influence as well.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Whatever.

I'm vaguely disappointed.

[Dis]

if anyone has seen the simpsons episode where Lisa joins Mensa and Mensa ends up running the local town's goverment, that is what I think would happen

The Simpsons is truer than you think.

I support stupid presidents

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
The Army is one of the most progressive of all American institutions and I think it would do most people good to serve their country.

*cough* DADT *cough*

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Whatever.

franky,

Yes, and also the Judicial Branch seems to be falling under Executive Branch influence as well.

Wow, I was just thinking the same thing... crazy...

[Drake Tungsten]

*cough* DADT *cough*

edit: Nevermind, I figured it out. Forgot you were gay for a second there...

[David Floyd]

I'm vaguely disappointed.

Sorry. A natural rights debate is useless, because neither side will budge one inch, no matter how seemingly reasonable the arguments of the other side are. So I'm not gonna waste my time

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Dissident
if anyone has seen the simpsons episode where Lisa joins Mensa and Mensa ends up running the local town's goverment, that is what I think would happen

The Simpsons is truer than you think.

I support stupid presidents

So I take it you support Bush, jr?

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Sorry. A natural rights debate is useless, because neither side will budge one inch, no matter how seemingly reasonable the arguments of the other side are. So I'm not gonna waste my time

Fair enough. That was my point re: self evident.

[Dis]

well I voted for him. Seems like a stupid vote, but I didn't want Al Gore to be president. Whatcha goin' to do?- vote for Nader?

[monkspider]

David, you are often preaching of natural rights, and the various other libertarian ideals that are in vogue these days.
It is fairly easy to see where these ideals might lead though. It is entirely possible that by legitimate means, say luck supplemented by contractual arrangements "freely undertaken" (as you Libs like to point out) one person might be able to gain control of the necessities of life. Under pressure of need, others are then free to sell themselves to this person as slaves, if he is willling to accept them. Otherwise they are free to perish. Under Libretarian ideals, this society is just.
I could go on and on, but Libertarian ideals regarding naturual property rights and so forth are inherently flawed.

[Dis]

and yes I do agree with David. The system we have now is best. Although it would be nice if the general public followed politics and law better. But that is the fault of society, not the goverment.

[Frankychan]

i voted democrat but it didn't matter because even before our polls closed, the nation already decided for us on what candidate we chose.

Electoral college sucks