Kyoto opposition surges: 72% of Albertans demand Ottawa withdraw from the accord

[KrazyHorse]

Perhaps Alberta should wield it's mighy sword and see what happens

Not much, trust me.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Frogger

Perhaps Alberta should wield it's mighy sword and see what happens

Not much, trust me.

Do ya really wanna test it?

[KrazyHorse]

Nope. I'd rather Quebec kept its whiny trap shut too...

[Loif]

Cripes. Here we go again. Alberta has never paid her dues to the mighty Easterners. See what the country would be like without us. I dare ya.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Frogger
Nope. I'd rather Quebec kept its whiny trap shut too...

Agreed. I hope the feds do not do something to make seperation a real alternative.

[Asher]

About Tingkai's comment about oil companies destroying Canada...

You know you were a lot more amusing when it wasn't so obvious you were either intentionally being a troll or you truly are one of the most stupid left wingers ever to grace Ralph's green Earth.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Loif
Well then call me a nut.

Okay, you're a nut.

Originally posted by Loif
I'm tired of putting out for the rest of the country. I live in the richest province in the country, I continually pay higher taxes and continually get pissed on by the feds.

You live in a province where you pay the least amount of taxes, or at least that's what Albertans constantly say.

The amount of federal tax that you pay is no different from people living in other provinces.

Originally posted by Loif
If that isn't reason to separate, what is? Quebec's been doing it for years and no one bats an eyelash anymore.

What are you talking about. People throughout Canada continue to challenge the PQ.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Loif
Cripes. Here we go again. Alberta has never paid her dues to the mighty Easterners. See what the country would be like without us. I dare ya.

You have things backwards. You want Alberta to separate. The majority of Canadians want to keep the country together so why would we want to kick Alberta out?

If Alberta separated, Canada would be destroyed and the same thing would happen if any other province left confederation.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
You have things backwards. You want Alberta to separate. The majority of Canadians want to keep the country together so why would we want to kick Alberta out?

Ask Jean, he's the one pushing Alberta out the door with his policies.

If Alberta separated, Canada would be destroyed and the same thing would happen if any other province left confederation.

It's flattering that you see Alberta as the glue for all of the nation, but you're being totally stupid. Canada would not be destroyed if Alberta left, it'd just have a big hole in it and Albertans would be happier.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
About Tingkai's comment about oil companies destroying Canada...

You know you were a lot more amusing when it wasn't so obvious you were either intentionally being a troll or you truly are one of the most stupid left wingers ever to grace Ralph's green Earth.

Says the boy from the oil family.

Everyone knows that oil companies only care about selling oil and profits. Kyoto represents a massive threat because it will reduce the demand for oil. The oil companies will spend millions to stop the agreement.

Ralphie's threat of separating over Kyoto just shows his desparation. He can't fight Kyoto on the facts so he resorts to scare-mongering.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Ask Jean, he's the one pushing Alberta out the door with his policies.


It's flattering that you see Alberta as the glue for all of the nation, but you're being totally stupid. Canada would not be destroyed if Alberta left, it'd just have a big hole in it and Albertans would be happier.

Not only can you not read, you also have a weak understanding of Canada (not that this is a surprise).

The great things about our nation is the diversity of opinions. As much as I dislike the right-wing nuts in Alberta (not that everyone is like that there), they need a place to call their own.

Our nation is built on an east-west axis. Take out any of the blocks and that axis becomes extremely fragile.

More than that, Canada includes Alberta. If Alberta isn't there then what Canada stood for no longer exists. We would only be a partial Canada.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Everyone knows that oil companies only care about selling oil and profits. Kyoto represents a massive threat because it will reduce the demand for oil. The oil companies will spend millions to stop the agreement.

Yeah, damn right. God damn those ****ing capitalist bastards. When will they realize that everyone else in the world is "GOOD" and only supports the "COMMON GOOD"? Those damned oil companies -- every single one of them are damn selfish people who WANT to destroy the environment! Those damned oil companies -- every single one of them stereotypes us leftwing treehumping liberals just because we're always right. DAMN THEM ALL! DEATH TO THE OIL COMPANIES! THEY ARE PURE EVIL!

Try something new, Tingkai, that's so trite.

Ralphie's threat of separating over Kyoto just shows his desparation. He can't fight Kyoto on the facts so he resorts to scare-mongering.

The fact that you're distorting his comments on such a large scale shows your desparation, Tingkai darling.

You can't fight on the facts so you resort to scare-mongering. The irony of your comments isn't funny anymore, it's depressing.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Not only can you not read, you also have a weak understanding of Canada (not that this is a surprise).

The great things about our nation is the diversity of opinions.

Oh shut the **** up.

Canada would exist just fine without Alberta and you know it. Alberta exists right now and all you do is ignore it, having it leave would only result in less income tax revenue.

You're acting like a ****ing moron. Do you know that?

"Canada would BE DESTROYED if the 3M people we constantly **** on decide to leave"

Do you believe anyone believes a word of what you spew on here?

Helpful hint: If you don't want Alberta to leave, why don't you stop pissing everyone off who lives in the damn province? Canada is an abusive relationship, and enough is enough sometimes.

[CyberGnu]

Fez:

Basically the premise of cutting emission levels to 1990 amounts. That could be devastating.

So, the Kyoto is flawed because the effects would be devastating.

Well thought out, iron clad argument there.

other arguments from the same school;
"the moon is made of green cheese because green cheese is what the moon is made of"

"elks have wings because wings are attached to elks"

"5 + 2 = 8, because 8 - 2 = 5"


Do you have any non-circular arguments regarding the flaws in the Kyoto?

[CyberGnu]

Ahser:

Everyone knows that oil companies only care about selling oil and profits. Kyoto represents a massive threat because it will reduce the demand for oil. The oil companies will spend millions to stop the agreement.


Yeah, damn right. God damn those ****ing capitalist bastards. When will they realize that everyone else in the world is "GOOD" and only supports the "COMMON GOOD"? Those damned oil companies -- every single one of them are damn selfish people who WANT to destroy the environment! Those damned oil companies -- every single one of them stereotypes us leftwing treehumping liberals just because we're always right. DAMN THEM ALL! DEATH TO THE OIL COMPANIES! THEY ARE PURE EVIL!

Eh, you are the one equating "oil companies only care about selling oil and profits" with "evil".

Tingkai merely stated a fact. An oil company only care about selling oil and profits. A bakery only cares about selling bread and profit. A nursery home only cares about tending babies and profit.

This is the nature of a company. A company does not, and is not expected to, have a social agenda. That is what the goverment is for. The people set the rules, and the companys sole task is to maximise profits within those rules. If the company deems it cost-effective to try to change those rules, that is up to the company.

You, as a person, should however be wary of the information the company provides you. Ask yourself: is this information the truth, the full truth and nothing but the truth? Is it angled or misrepresented? Who stands to gain from the decision this company is trying to influence?

Just basic logic, really... One should ALWAYS ask what ulterior motive a supplier of information has...