Kyoto opposition surges: 72% of Albertans demand Ottawa withdraw from the accord

[KrazyHorse]

Snooze. Unlike the last sudy, there are concrete problems with this one

Critics immediately attacked the new poll as skewed against Kyoto, noting that the key question -- whether Canada should ratify the accord -- was preceded by references to exemptions granted to developing countries

You're not supposed to argue your point before you ask the question. Otherwise you're not finding out what support is among the general Albertan population; you're asking what support is among the population that has just been spoken to about the countries that aren't going to have to reduce emissions.

[Asher]

Quick question: Is it true or not that developing nations do not have to abide by Kyoto?

The only real complaint people have here is that it tells people something they probably didn't know.

All this shows is that, given a bigger picture of the story than Jeany let's on to everyone, most people oppose it than support it.

It doesn't invalidate a damn thing, since the preceding question was a true fact pertaining to Kyoto also. The people criticizing it are doing so because they don't want people to know the "bad" things about Kyoto, and then I guess they don't want it to be asked so less people know about it.

Poor form. People already know it's "going to reduce emissions" since Jeany told everyone that many times, many people do not know developing countries don't need to sign it. So if they know both, they'll be more informed -- which is what will happen anyway after Kyoto is signed.

It's lefties squirming in their seats grasping at straws, is all.

Not to mention

While the questions do mention downsides to Kyoto, respondents were also asked whether they thought emerging technologies would offset economic disadvantage wrought by the accord, she noted.

[Giancarlo]

Asher: Get off your lazy cute butt and go out there and declare independence from Canada.

Kyoto if placed on the US economy could throw it in deep recession, causing millions of jobs of to be lost and about $150-$300 billion dollars down the drain.

[XarXo]

Fez , you truly exist? I can't believe that brain deformations can achieve these levels.

[Loif]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Stay in Kyoto. I want to see Otowa enforce it on Alberta and watch the fireworks.

You can bet there will be fireworks. We are getting behind the government here and separation is becoming more and more of an option. You can only be pushed so far and spat upon so much by your own federal government before you start to take measures. Forming our own country is becoming more and more appealing because of those freaking Liberals in power down East. Why is that is always Alberta who takes the hit? Gawd I'm tired of this crap.

[flash9286]

join the usa its the right thing to do

[Loif]

Nah. We'll just take the western provinces with us and separate. Form our own little country. We could do it. It would take awhile but I think we could support ourselves. Alberta, BC and Saskatchewan, maybe even Manitoba if they could tear themselves away from the East.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Originally posted by Fez
Kyoto if placed on the US economy could throw it in deep recession, causing millions of jobs of to be lost and about $150-$300 billion dollars down the drain.

What is the price of a clean environment?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by XarXo
Fez , you truly exist? I can't believe that brain deformations can achieve these levels.

You talking about yourself? I notice the flag you use under your name. I now know who is the one with brain deformations.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


What is the price of a clean environment?

Deep economic depression or economic advancement? I say economic advancement. To advance means to get better technology. Kyoto does crap to bring a clean environment.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Originally posted by Fez
Deep economic depression or economic advancement? I say economic advancement. To advance means to get better technology. Kyoto does crap to bring a clean environment.

Kyoto Treatt, Article 2
vi) Encouragement of appropriate reforms in relevant sectors aimed at promoting policies and measures which limit or reduce emissions of greenhouse gases not controlled by the Montreal Protocol;
(vii) Measures to limit and/or reduce emissions of greenhouse
gases not controlled by the Montreal Protocol in the transport sector;


3. The Parties included in Annex I shall strive to implement policies and measures under this Article in such a way as to minimize adverse effects, including the adverse effects of climate change, effects on international trade, and social, environmental and economic impacts on other Parties, especially developing country Parties and in particular those identified in Article 4, paragraphs 8 and 9, of the Convention, taking into account Article 3 of the Convention. The Conference of the Parties serving as the meeting of the Parties to this Protocol may take further action, as appropriate, to promote the implementation of the provisions of this paragraph.

Article 3

1. The Parties included in Annex I shall, individually or jointly, ensure that their aggregate anthropogenic carbon dioxide equivalent emissions of the greenhouse gases listed in Annex A do not exceed their assigned amounts, calculated pursuant to their quantified emission limitation and reduction commitments inscribed in Annex B and in accordance with the provisions of this Article, with a view to reducing their overall emissions of such gases by at least 5 per cent below 1990 levels in the commitment period 2008 to 2012.

2. Each Party included in Annex I shall, by 2005, have made demonstrable progress in achieving its commitments under this Protocol.

3. The net changes in greenhouse gas emissions by sources and removals by sinks resulting from direct human-induced land-use change and forestry activities, limited to afforestation, reforestation and deforestation since 1990, measured as verifiable changes in carbon stocks in each commitment period, shall be used to meet the commitments under this Article of each Party included in Annex I. The greenhouse gas emissions by sources and removals by sinks associated with those activities shall be reported in a transparent and verifiable manner and reviewed in accordance with Articles 7 and 8.



Kyoto Treat

[Giancarlo]

Pathetic. The treaty is filled with flaws. Rejected!

[notyoueither]

So how much credit does Canada get for all the trees?

None I'll bet. Europe already killed all theirs before 1990 so there is no credit for maintaining forests.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Pray, where are these flaws?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Pray, where are these flaws?

The Treaty purely damages the economy. No questions asked. It is mostly filled with holes and, pardon my french, a bull**** treaty that only is halfy functional.